My 67 M38A1 CDN 2 and M100

[maple_leaf_eh]

I saw your photos and discussion on the G503 forum. (Pity I have so much trouble logging on there.)

From the looks of your Jeep let me make some speculations. It is the original semi-gloss paint. It left the service prior to the late 1970's, when camouflage paint was required colours. It has the correct turn signal switch. The canvas looks good but something suggests it is a replacement. It was probably sold off as uneconomical because the amount of parts and labour put into it reached a magical number. The term PCC'd comes to mind, but I don't think I ever knew what that meant. The guys here can run the serial number through the current DND vehicle records system (look either on the dash plate or on the right rear wheel well, near the passenger seat). Any story from the former owner?

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

mcaffee, nice rig! I had a really nice '53 M38A1 which I used as a daily driver for more than three years 'back when', and I miss it.

Do you have a real name and location?

[rob love]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

I saw your photos and discussion on the G503 forum. (Pity I have so much trouble logging on there.)

From the looks of your Jeep let me make some speculations. It is the original semi-gloss paint. It left the service prior to the late 1970's, when camouflage paint was required colours. It has the correct turn signal switch. The canvas looks good but something suggests it is a replacement. It was probably sold off as uneconomical because the amount of parts and labour put into it reached a magical number. The term PCC'd comes to mind, but I don't think I ever knew what that meant. The guys here can run the serial number through the current DND vehicle records system (look either on the dash plate or on the right rear wheel well, near the passenger seat). Any story from the former owner?

PCC means "provisional condemnation certificate". The uneconomical part was known as the REL or repair expenditure limit. Normally it was not used with SMPs unless they had severe frame or body damage. However I would concur that it was likely an early release or else was far off the beaten path and did not receive the modifications that were common on the. For instance the single round mirror. These were later replaced by rectangular mirrors and near the end were relocated halfway along the fenders on both sides. The turn signals were only replaced as they failed, and then were usually updated to the army solid state style flasher and the khaki plastic signal arm. This wasn't an official upgrade mind you, just one we regularly did. The camouflaging of the trucks was not mandatory either. We had one with signal sqn in Wpg which didn't see camo until it's last year of service. I even kept the original paint code decal from under the hood.

This jeep would appear to have had some body work done on the left rear corner, which is not uncommon. They were an area very prone to getting damage. I would guess at that because the seam is missing from the body, and as well several of the bolt holes appear to have been bondoed over.

I'll jot down the serial number and see what I can find on this truck. It might not be in the list if it was an early release. But for now I am going to make an uneducated guess that the serial number is 68-08479. I'll try and confirm that tomorrow.

[mcafee]

The previous owner resprayed the truck about 15 years ago. I have photos of when it left service, and it was indeed painted in 2 tone camo. After some further hunting around, the back left corner has been repaired, in one of the old photos of it,you can see where she took a bit of a hit. I know it was still in service in 83, as there is an overhaul tag on the block from Sept. 83. The previous owner bought it from the first civy owner, and thought it was sold of from the arm in 86 or so.


Geoff, real name is Tom McAfee, and I am in Tobermory, about 4 hours due north of Toronto.

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by mcafee

I know it was still in service in 83, as there is an overhaul tag on the block from Sept. 83. The previous owner bought it from the first civy owner, and thought it was sold of from the arm in 86 or so.

It is possible that a rebuilt motor was fitted after release from service. In this case it probably didn't happen because you have spoken with all owners between release and present.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Unlikely a service rebuild would have been sold as a complete unit as the last of the jeeps were still in service back then, and civilian F-heads wouldn't have the tag. I'm betting this was the original engine rebuilt or a service replacement sometime (shortly) before the vehicle's release. Remember HMCS Bonaventure!

Tom, thanks for your info! We like to know who we're talking to, and your name could have been confused with the antivirus program...

Geoff

Originally Posted by Grant Bowker

It is possible that a rebuilt motor was fitted after release from service. In this case it probably didn't happen because you have spoken with all owners between release and present.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally Posted by mcafee

... and I am in Tobermory, about 4 hours due north of Toronto.

BTW, you should touch base with Jon Skagfeld on this forum. He's just outside Owen Sound and has a nice M38A1CDN3.

Also, should you be entertaining ideas about parting with your trailer, talk to me first!

[rob love]

Originally Posted by mcafee

The previous owner resprayed the truck about 15 years ago. I have photos of when it left service, and it was indeed painted in 2 tone camo. After some further hunting around, the back left corner has been repaired, in one of the old photos of it,you can see where she took a bit of a hit. I know it was still in service in 83, as there is an overhaul tag on the block from Sept. 83. The previous owner bought it from the first civy owner, and thought it was sold of from the arm in 86 or so.

86 is about right for the disposal. Doubtful that an 83 engine would still be around to surplus as new in 86, as there was a shelf life and a warranty involved in the rebuilt engines. There were complete engine assys sold off after the jeeps were gone, the rebuilder back then was Bennet and Hanson if I recall. The price of the complete rebuild engines was $2700 or so, just about the same price as the complete Cdn2 jeep just 20 years earlier.

I didn't have a chance to check on it today, but I will give it a shot tomorrow. The mirrors may have been a bit of a throw off as to the dates of release, particularly if the previous restorer was aiming for an earlier look. Personally, I did not like the fender mounted mirrors, and unless you put a third brace on them, they shook so bad they were useless anyway. I notice in a photo you show on another site, it does not have the HUGE turn signal flasher assembly which was original on the Cdn2. It was a box about 8X8inches on the firewall which contained a bunch of relays I think. I worked on the jeeps from 1978 until they were disposed of in 86, and most of those original signal units were long gone. The lack of it in your photo could indicate that the signal arm on it now may have also been a retrofit by the previous owner, back to the commercial type.

[mcafee]

I should get some better photos now that I have my walking cast. There hasn't been much progress on my end. I was up to Willys Acres this past Friday and picked up all the parts I need to redo the brake system.
The blinkers are a mystery to me, as they don't work at all. The rest of the lights do though. Not sure what I a going to do to sort that out yet.

Tom

[Ed Storey]

M38A1 67-08479 was disposed of 23 Sept 88 out of North Bay

M100 53-70236 was disposed of 08 Nov 89 out of London

ED

[rob love]

North Bay would possibly explain the lack of some of the normal mods, but then again it could have been changes by the previous owner. North Bay was a bit off the normal path for SMPs.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally Posted by edstorey

M100 53-70236 was disposed of 08 Nov 89 out of London

I'd like to find one of those in good shape, for a good price, if anyone knows of one. It would need to be original, as I DO have a pintle hook on my current [TJ] jeep, and preferably needing precious little further restoration because I don't have any place to work on it (I CAN sand and paint where I live).