Photos of an old abused veteran

[Keith Webb]

This is my F60L cab 12:

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

This is my F60L cab 12:

G'day thanks for the information. Since the last post I went for a bit of a search and found this site by Colin MacGregor Stevens. It mentions the following... it also has some links with a photo of a spare tyre carrier and trays of trucks...

http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/cmp_canad...ry_pattern.htm

Now Howard, Keith and Cliff is the information on the above internet site actually accurate? There seems to be a lot of conflicting stuff in CMP land.

So how about this for a rule of thumb ....headlights which are bolted to the cowl = that M-face word and integrated headlights are the later models. I also like the description of Series 13 trucks "much roomer inside..."
Very nice truck Keith.

Howard thanks to the link to Keith's CMP site.

A flying CMP is a great photo Cliff - bet you they regretted it when they landed!

Kind Regards
Lionel

IDENTIFYING CMP MODELS
Data plates are the first thing to look for. One early models they are often on the engine cover inside the cab. On late models they are usually on top of the dash over the instruments on Chevrolets, and on the driver's door inside near the top on Fords.

If data plates are missing, Fords have year marked on 'back' of pintle hook. One can see it by climbing under the truck, and looking at the rear of the pintle hook. There is a circular hole in the mounting plates and one can usually see "FM Co 43" for example (as I recall, it is some years since I have looked). This example would be Ford Motor Company 1943.

Early models:
Cab 11 (1940 model) - Fixed windshield, no roof hatch, small hinged panel to access engine from outside. Suicide doors (hinged at back). Cramped cab. Headlights standing separate and on fenders (giving them the nickname "Monkey Face" down in southern regions of the world.
Cab 12 (1941 model)- The Cab 12 is basically the same as Cab 11 but had minor modifications done in response apparently to user feedback (aka complaints), especially from the North African desert. As per Cab 11 but windshield opens a few inches as a single unit, some models have a roof hatch. Large hooks on doors so they can be propped open about 6". "Alligator hood" - better engine access. Vents incorporated on each side of radiator grill to provide moving (not necessarily cooler!) air to the cab when driving.
Cab 13 (1942-1945 model)- Total design change. Much roomier. Reverse slope windshield, doors hinged at front, headlights buried inside cowl. Some later models (1944-5) had round roof 'hatch' of canvas for observer. Early models of Chevs had "cluster" instruments and later models had separate round instruments.

8 Cwt (1/2 ton) - Tires 9.00x13 or 9.25x16 on HU 4x4 models. 101" WB. No step under door to get into cab.
15 Cwt (3/4 ton) - Tires 9.00x16. 101" wheelbase.
30 Cwt - 10.50x16 tires. 134" WB
60 Cwt (3 ton) - 10.50x20 tires. 134" or 158" WB

"Z" was letter code at beginning of DND or WD number painted on the door. This was for trucks 8 Cwt or 15 Cwt. "L" was for Lorry which was the category for 3 Ton (60 Cwt). There are many other letter prefix codes but those are the most common.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

G'day thanks for the information. Since the last post I went for a bit of a search and found this site by Colin MacGregor Stevens.
Now Howard, Keith and Cliff is the information on the above internet site actually accurate? There seems to be a lot of conflicting stuff in CMP land.

Colins site is accurate but remember it is for CANADIAN made vehicles not AUSTRALIAN Assembled one's

you have just as much confusion between different countries vehicles with CMP's as you do with the MCP type vehicles if not more but apart from cab differences (the Aussie assembled 13 cabs, both Chev & Ford had differences to the Canadian production ones) and rear bodies the mechanicals and chassis were mainly the same. Almost all the 11/12 cab models were fully Canadian made and only the 13 cab models had local content to my knowledge but Keith & others will probably prove me wrong.

So how about this for a rule of thumb ....headlights which are bolted to the cowl = that M-face word and integrated headlights are the later models.

alter to read "seperate headlights mounted on the mudguards = the early cab 11/12 (monkey face) and intergrated headlights are the later cab 13.

A flying CMP is a great photo Cliff - bet you they regretted it when they landed!

this photo would have been taken while the vehicles were being tested at the factory I would think.

[zemsi]

... here you can see a Cab 11 (C30 from 1940), Cab 12 (F60 from 1941) and Cab 13 (F15A) for comparison.

Max knows where you'll find them

Greetings
Chris

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by zemsi

... here you can see a Cab 11 (C30 from 1940), Cab 12 (F60 from 1941) and Cab 13 (F15A) for comparison.

Max knows where you'll find them

Greetings
Chris

G'day Chris, Thank you for the photos with all those trucks together in it - someone is a lucky bugger!

Thanks Cliff for the thorough information and Tony. Yes there is a bit of advertising going on for Keith's fine specimen of a truck isn't there !

Kind Regards
Lionel

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

G'day Chris, Thank you for the photos with all those trucks together in it - someone is a lucky bugger!

Kind Regards
Lionel

Yes Max is a lucky bugger isn't he

[Lionelgee]

Hello All,

Tonight I did a google image search of Cab 13 CMP and I came across a site which mentioned that there were more series of cabs after the Cab 13. From this MLU site I have learnt about a 11-12 & 13. Also I found a quote which posted earlier on this thread towards the top of the page. In the article it does say Cab 13 (1942-1945 model) ... some later models (1944-5) had round roof 'hatch' of canvas for observer. This article was written overseas so were models made in Australia after Cab 13 as things happened differently here? How were the series made after Cab 13 different from teach other

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello All,

I did a google image search of Cab 13 CMP and I came across a site which mentioned that there were more series of cabs after the Cab 13. From this MLU site I have learnt about a 11-12 & 13. If there were series of cabs after 13 what years were they manufactured and how were they each different from the 13?

Kind Regards
Lionel

In fact it went right up to 43 but there was nothing in between. The cab 43 was built as a roofless wide version to carry a bofors gun crew.

There were also many detail differences between the first 1942 model cab 13s and the final version.

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

In fact it went right up to 43 but there was nothing in between. The cab 43 was built as a roofless wide version to carry a bofors gun crew.

There were also many detail differences between the first 1942 model cab 13s and the final version.

Thanks Keith

I remember someone on another thread directed someone to stay with Fords as Chevy's were too complex. Well it seems CMP land is just as complex. I went to your site Keith before posting my last message and I could only see cab 13 as the highest number cab - of course I could have been looking on the wrong part of your site.

Also someone sent an image from a CMP Shop Manual and it featured lines and bubbles leading to different parts of the truck the photograph was taken from. Has anyone done a similar thing for example the great photos of Max's trucks and drawn arrows on the photo saying note the differences between the headlights on the two trucks? The Cab 11 has lights mounted on the mudguards and the Cab 13 has the headlights integrated into the mudguards. With information like this newbies could learn a lot of things and no ask so many questions. There are those books by Dr Grigg or spelt something similar which people have referred to on MLU however I have not seen one. However has anyone written an Australian New Zealand CMP book showing them and the changes between series from Cab 11 to OMG Cab 43?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Keith, does your CMP DVD have a commentary which points out differences between trucks or do you have to work it out by just looking at the DVD?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Keith Webb]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Keith, does your CMP DVD have a commentary which points out differences between trucks or do you have to work it out by just looking at the DVD?

Kind Regards
Lionel

No, the DVD is mostly about the 2002 Corowa event with a few side trips. Mike Cecil of the AWM does give a good history of the CMP in Australian use though.

And as I haven't yet finished the 2009 DVD yet I may take that on board and do a complete rundown on how the early and late cabs vary, also how the Australian Chev cab was completely built here and how it differs from the Canadian version.

But don't let that stop you buying the first DVD - there's a lot of CMP action in it including some material from Canada.

As for the site, I don't have anything on the 43 as it wasn't used here and I don't have pics.

Cliff is right, Dodge did make a prototype cab 13 using what looks to be a Ford cab.

There is also a shot in Bill Gregg's book with a cab 13 with all three manufacturer's badges on the grille.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello All,

Tonight I did a google image search of Cab 13 CMP and I came across a site which mentioned that there were more series of cabs after the Cab 13. From this MLU site I have learnt about a 11-12 & 13. Also I found a quote which posted earlier on this thread towards the top of the page. In the article it does say Cab 13 (1942-1945 model) ... some later models (1944-5) had round roof 'hatch' of canvas for observer. This article was written overseas so were models made in Australia after Cab 13 as things happened differently here? How were the series made after Cab 13 different from teach other

Kind Regards
Lionel

I thought I'd confuse the issue a bit further for you Lionel by saying there was a third maker of CMP and that was Chrysler Canada who made at least one Dodge CMP prototype. I have only ever seen one photo of it and so far have no data on it apart from a few details.

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

This is my F60L cab 12:

Keith, you know the forum rules. This should be posted in the "For Sale or Trade Forum" section.

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Keith Webb

This is my F60L cab 12:

Hello ALl,

Having a quick look again at Keith's truck... it is pretty hard to miss it on the page... and the condition of the tyres raises a question or two or maybe three. How hard is it to get tyres for these trucks in Australia are they readily available or from limited suppliers and cost the earth? What would you pay for a new one?

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Tony Smith]

Tyres in that size (or near enough) are much more readily available than in the 16 inch range.

The original size was 10.50-20, and there is a huge variety of commercial truck patterns available in 10.00-20 and 11.00-20 to choose from. A military tread is available in 11.00-20 (MRF brand is $320), but it is also common to see 12.00-20s fitted as these are available cheaply from Defence Auctions ( as low as $20 per tyre) as removed from ACCOs and Unimogs.