Morris PU: BEF Dunkirk? Unit, registration?

[Keith Brooker]

Some photos of morris PU in the Dunkirk area 1940. Hope these are OK. Photos are from my collection. The first truck photo has TT on it. 2nd photo is a RA unit.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Rich, Ron and Keith,

Thank you very much for your replies. This really helps me a lot! I am hoping to finish the build of the model today and put some paint on it tomorrow. I have indeed decided to dress the Morris up as a truck from 4RNF, 50th Division.


The Norton in Rich' picture shows the "twin T's" in a rounded patch. Was this common in the early stages of the war, compared to the square patch you often see in pictures taken later in the war? Or did it differ from one vehicle to another?

Rich, regarding the blackouts. What colour would the Manilla paper have been? Dark green or black, maybe? Do I understand correctly that only a small half-circular form was left open on the top of the headlight? Or the bottom? When looking at Keith second picture, the lower half od the headlights seems to be a lighter colour? Or is it actually the mirror we are looking at?

thanks guys,

Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

Rich, Ron and Keith,

Thank you very much for your replies. This really helps me a lot! I am hoping to finish the build of the model today and put some paint on it tomorrow. I have indeed decided to dress the Morris up as a truck from 4RNF, 50th Division.


The Norton in Rich' picture shows the "twin T's" in a rounded patch. Was this common in the early stages of the war, compared to the square patch you often see in pictures taken later in the war? Or did it differ from one vehicle to another?

Rich, regarding the blackouts. What colour would the Manilla paper have been? Dark green or black, maybe? Do I understand correctly that only a small half-circular form was left open on the top of the headlight? Or the bottom? When looking at Keith second picture, the lower half od the headlights seems to be a lighter colour? Or is it actually the mirror we are looking at?

thanks guys,

Alex

[Rich Payne]

The 'TT' in Keith's first picture is also on a circular ground. Many 1940 period insignia were slightly different, for instance 4th Div had a different quarter.

The small semi circle on the lamp glass should be underneath but was sometimes wrong and often vibrated out of line. Other vehicles were completely overpainted.

I think that you're looking at the half-painted silver reflector in the picture of the damaged vehicle. The glasses were easily damaged and then fall completely out.

The paper mask was black (based on my surviving rear lamp mask).

Rich

[Ron Pier]

Using the very good information available re the 4RNF. This is how I depicted my Big4. I just need a Dingo now, in the same markings to start my own unit.

BTW. you can buy that black manila card from Hobycraft, but I guess you'd know that, as a modeler.

Ron

[Keith Brooker]

The top photo shows a Morris PU on the Eastern Front 23 Oct 1941 shot up a bit & 2nd photo in June 1940.
Photos from my collection.

[Ron Pier]

Keith, anything in your photo collection regarding PU8/4's ?
Ron

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Thank you very much for your replies. This really helps me a lot! I am hoping to finish the build of the model today and put some paint on it tomorrow. I have indeed decided to dress the Morris up as a truck from 4RNF, 50th Division.

Alex

Well where are the sample photos of the model for us to enjoy Alex?

[Keith Brooker]

Sorry Ron, i do not have any photos of that Morris . quite a rare Morris.

[Alex van de Wetering]

Thanks guys, you have been very helpfull. I made the final pics for the magazine yesterday. The model is finished for now, but I will continue work on it in the next few weeks...still got the WS11 to fit, the batteries, all accessoiries and the canopy on the rear body. I knew I wasn't able to get those finished in time for the magazine, so finished it as much as I could.

Well where are the sample photos of the model for us to enjoy Alex?

Hey Cliff. Sadly I promised not to publish any pictures yet, until the club mag appears, but I attached a sneak-peak anyway

Alex

[Rich Payne]

The colours look very BEF to me Alex. I look forward to seeing and reading more.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

Hey Cliff. Sadly I promised not to publish any pictures yet, until the club mag appears, but I attached a sneak-peak anyway

Alex

Alex it looks good. I look forward to seeing more once you are able to show them.

[Alex van de Wetering]

The colours look very BEF to me Alex

Rich, I am very happy you said that, as the colours have been bothering me ever since I sprayed them on with the airbrush. I used Mike Starmers colour mixes, but lightened them with a little bit of tan/pinkish colour. The reason I did this is that we currently like to use techniques in modeling to make the truck look used etc. But these techniques also make the paint look darker, so I tried to compensate this. Anwyay, what I am trying to say is that I did use Mike's mixes to get the proper colour, only to change the mix afterwards So, I am very happy you think the colour looks BEF to you!

Alex it looks good. I look forward to seeing more once you are able to show them.

Thanks Cliff! I will certainly bother you guys with some pictures when I am able to. Apart from the guys in this thread, a big thanks towards Mike Kelly for helping me with some detail pictures and detailed drawings of the box and lockers!

Alex