M38a1Cdn2, M38A1Cdn3 and M151A2 CFR range

[Craig S.]

maple_leaf_eh -

I have access to the same records I believe some others on this site have or had access to. I'm a Veh Tech by trade and it is a database that contains info on CFR'd equipment. Surprisingly I looked up my 1952 M-37's serial number and it wasn't available, but others were still listed after all these years. Hit and miss I guess, but it was enough to make me root for more of what was available in regards to other historical records. It's something that gives the new owner a little extra information in regards to their ex-military vehicle. Could also be useful in vehicles that are soon to be auctioned off. So when my new to me LAV3 comes up, I'll check on it's maintenance records to see which of the lot are better than others .
So on Willys M38A1CDN3, Serial No. 100002, this is what I could find:
CFR was 08876
Acquired date was 01 Jan 1970 (they all are the same date for that contract it seems)
Original unit it was issued to was at CFB Toronto, but it is now listed as dormant(UIC 0124)
The only Work Orders listed are from 28 Mar 1977 to 14 Apr 1983
Up until 30 Sept 1978 it seems the work was done by Base Maint CFB Toronto, of which the vehicle was an asset.
Then until 14 Apr 1983 the work was done by maybe the same section but the Jeep was now an asset of The Queens York Rangers, 1st American Regiment RCAC.
Listed are a total of 42 Corrective Vists, or it was in the shop for various faults/preventative maint. 42 times (officially)
As of 14 April 1983 the odometer had 64736 miles on it.
VMO No. DP350151 06 May 1987 to CFB Toronto for disposal.
Last holding notice of 22 August 1988, but the disposal date is listed as 22 Oct 1987 and that the sale price was $829.00. Perhaps there was a paperwork error in the dates?

Cheers

[servicepub (RIP)]

Hi Craig,

Can you work your magic on this CFR - 67-07800?

Thnx,

Clive

[Retsarge]

Craig,
You have given me more of my jeeps history in 1week, than I was able to find out on my own in the 4 years that I have had it. I found out that CFB Wainwright was/is a military basic training base. CFB Petawawa is home to Canada's Special Forces.
CFB London has been shut down, and CFB Valcartier is the main logistics supply center.
All very interesting for the jeeps history. Do your maintenance history reports possibly list the army units it was assigned to at Wainwright, Petawawa, or Valcartier??
Also is there any educated guess as to how many of the 800 67/68 Cdn2, or 596 70/71 Cdn3 jeeps are still alive and running out there?? Thanks

Richard
1967 M38A1 Cdn2
7105 96879
CFR 67-07832

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Retsarge

Craig,
You have given me more of my jeeps history in 1week, than I was able to find out on my own in the 4 years that I have had it. I found out that CFB Wainwright was/is a military basic training base. CFB Petawawa is home to Canada's Special Forces.
CFB London has been shut down, and CFB Valcartier is the main logistics supply center.
All very interesting for the jeeps history. Do your maintenance history reports possibly list the army units it was assigned to at Wainwright, Petawawa, or Valcartier??
Also is there any educated guess as to how many of the 800 67/68 Cdn2, or 596 70/71 Cdn3 jeeps are still alive and running out there?? Thanks

Richard
1967 M38A1 Cdn2
7105 96879
CFR 67-07832

There were no field units in Wainwright aside from the PPCLI battle school (not really a field unit). Wainwright is a place where units go to use the training area. There was quite a stock of vehicles held there to be issued as required to visiting units.

Hard to say how many of the Cdn2 and Cdn 3s still exist. The attrition rates were fairly high for the Cdn2 while the Cdn3 held up a bit better. I have a list somewhere that gives the total numbers of Jeeps still in inventory in the early 80s.

Out this way the Jeeps are not as prone to rust as in the Eastern provinces. As a result, all the Jeeps are hiding out here somewhere, even the early 50s models. There has been some poaching of our rust free jeeps to other areas.

[Craig S.]

Since your data includes workorders, I am assuming you are using a Loomis/plan expert archive. The database I was using was the DSVPM site on the intranet. It does not go into nearly the detail you have.

The info I've given here comes from EDR Viewer Production. It is where the majority of info I could find in regards to the old CAR numbers and modern CFR numbers come from. I have come across a few other types of info, but it's more along the lines of cost analysis for each piece of equipment over that equipments lifetime, parts cost, REL's, literature, etc. So far I can only find the parent units of the equipment but not the end user say, ie. I would know that LSVW 93-99770 belonged to L-Coy,2 RCR, but not that it was the MRT for Components Section of Maintenance Pl., C/S 88U. C/S's are not registered on any of the database records I've found. In the maintenance world we deal in CFR's whereas the Infanteers know the vehicles by the actual c/s. The database also goes by the vehicle CFR and then you have to look at each to get the Serial Number of that vehicle, which means sometimes going through each one to get it. There may be some way to do it by Serial Number, but I haven't found out how.
Lately I have begun to copy complete listings of older SMP vehicles I can by years, CFR's, ECC, etc. At least then I can relatively check a CFR for as an example,CFR#37735. It turns out that it is a "1978 Truck,Cargo, MLVW,2.5 Ton, U.S. Army, M-35". This is the only one for that year and judging by what little info there is and the "X" prefix to the ERN, I am thinking it was a evaluation model for what we based our MLVW's on as we know them.

Can you work your magic on this CFR - 67-07800?

Here is what I can find -
1967 07800 M38A1CDN2
Serial Number 7105-96847
Acquired 01 Jan 67
Original UIC was CFB/ASU Montreal
It also states that on the same date it became an asset of LETE(Land Engineering Test Establishment)
30 May 1985 it was VMO'd to 25 CFSD
28 Oct 1986 a VMO No DP357374 for disposal was cut
Disposal date of 11 Jan 1988 for $2692.00 is stated and the last holding notice was 10 Feb 1988 as serviceable.

There is no information as to Work Orders at all and that may be due to it's LETE heritage. Test bed for modifications perhaps? Judging by the sale price it sounds like it was kept in better condition than most. Wouldn't it be great to get all the actual mechanics paperwork from the inspections and other records that follow the vehicles until they leave a unit? Unfortunately I'm guessing they end up in a blue recycle bin nowadays.
My apologies for the long winded explanation, but this will give you some info on how this info is kept and also I guess, discarded. Cheers.

[Retsarge]

Hi,
On the American M38A1 jeeps, there is a data plate located on the wheelwell directly behind the passenger's seat. Is there also supposed to be one on the Canadian Cdn2 jeeps as well? If yes, how does it read..Kaiser..Willys.. or what? Thanks

Richard M
M38A1Cdn2
CFR 67-07832

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Retsarge

Hi,
On the American M38A1 jeeps, there is a data plate located on the wheelwell directly behind the passenger's seat. Is there also supposed to be one on the Canadian Cdn2 jeeps as well? If yes, how does it read..Kaiser..Willys.. or what? Thanks

Richard M
M38A1Cdn2
CFR 67-07832

On a Cdn 2 it was Kaiser of Windsor. I likely have one floating about in the shed, I'll confirm today.

[Retsarge]

Rob,
If indeed you do have a data plate in your shed, and it is a spare, and you are willing to part with it. I would love to put one back, on my jeep, and fill an empty spot. Let me know how much you want for it, and I will send it to you. Thanks

Richard M
M38A1Cdn2
CFR 67-07832

[servicepub (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Craig S.

It also states that on the same date it became an asset of LETE(Land Engineering Test Establishment)

This actually had "LETE" painted, albeit very faded, on front and rear bumpers. The jeep appears to have all of the modification screw-holes drilled, including those for the GPMG mount, LAW M-72 mount, decontamination bottle, radios, etc....
Thnx for the info.
Clive

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Craig S.

maple_leaf_eh -

I have access to the same records I believe some others on this site have or had access to. I'm a Veh Tech by trade and it is a database that contains info on CFR'd equipment.

Since your data includes workorders, I am assuming you are using a Loomis/plan expert archive. The database I was using was the DSVPM site on the intranet. It does not go into nearly the detail you have.

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by Craig S.

maple_leaf_eh -

I have access to the same records I believe some others on this site have or had access to. I'm a Veh Tech by trade and it is a database that contains info on CFR'd equipment. ...
So on Willys M38A1CDN3, Serial No. 100002, this is what I could find: CFR was 08876

Great thanks for the help. The Base Transport guy in Rottawa found only a little information. Must have not been trying as hard, or was as familiar with the screens.

If mine is SN 100002, and the CFR is one more than 75, I'm going to tell myself it is the second vehicle delivered on the contract., assuming the numbering began at 08875.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

Great thanks for the help. The Base Transport guy in Rottawa found only a little information. Must have not been trying as hard, or was as familiar with the screens.

If mine is SN 100002, and the CFR is one more than 75, I'm going to tell myself it is the second vehicle delivered on the contract., assuming the numbering began at 08875.

Better go read the first post on this thread again. Cdn3 series started at 08500 and went up from there. The 100000 serial number was not the first on this contract...there were plenty in the 99XXX range.