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David Hardway, could you post some closeups of that mount from different angles, preferably with a ruler in place to see the dimensions? That's just what I need to go with my Motley seat when it gets here. Could your friend be convinced to part with it?
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 |
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Hi David
I will ask however i was going to try myself as i have two brens and an MW Bedford i will go and take some more photos i did take 6 but it was not until they were developed i realised there was nothing there for a scale Dave
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It 's hard to tell from one picture to which mount this parts belongs. More pictures could make it easier.
Cheers, Arjan
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Austin ten saloon, 1939 Austin ten utility truck, 1940 Dodge WC54, 1942 Ford F15A, 1944 BSA folding bike 10 cwt GS Trailer |
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A couple more
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Last ones for now next lot in camera
Dave
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Here's a couple of pix from Tools of the Trade. The mounts on the carriers in 1941 don't have any springs for counterbalancing. The Chev Cab 12 water truck doesn't have a roof hatch and I thought all 12 cabs had them.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 |
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The pogo stick type mount on the carriers have a spring in the shaft to smooth out the Bren Guns ride. I always found the Carrier's AA setup to be fairly high.....no need for a counterbalance spring.
There were some of these carrier mounts made up in limited numbers years back. With all the carriers on the go these days, it would be nice if someone did another run of them. |
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE"
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I downloaded some of those Small Arms Training pamphlets and came across this one.
http://www.weapons.org.uk/ This twin Vickers setup needed a second truck to carry supplies and the rest of the crew. It seems pretty labour intensive when compared with the twin Bren setup.
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1940 Cab 11 C8 Wireless with 1A2 box & 11 set 1940 Cab 11 C8 cab and chassis 1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun 1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends 1941 Cab 12 F15A 1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5 1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box 1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box 1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP 1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box 1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor MkII Bren gun carrier chassis x 2 |
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Incredible finds gents. Incredible.
I learn more on the subject of Bren mounts reading this forum than visiting the War Museum in Ottawa. Whe we compare the American way of mounting their 1919A4 and BAR with the Commonwealth way of mounting their Bren's , Lewis and Breda's, don't you think the Commonwealth way was a little overly complicated ? Take the Bren tripod ( quadripod in fact ) , have you ever seen a more doubtfull piece of ... equipment ? I own and use one by the way.I had to examine it up close and personal ,i could'nt believe what i saw in the pictures.And the subject AA mount ? David and friends , congratulations on finding parts and wanting to reconstruct one . But sheee's , what did they ever think ? A simple pintle would of been too simple, too american ? My two cents. Keep up the good work. Robert
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44 GPW / 44 C-15-A Cab 13 Wireless 5 with 2K1 box X 2 / 44 U.C. No-2 MKII* / 10 Cwt Cdn Brantford Coach & Body trailer / 94 LSVW / 84 Iltis Last edited by Robert Bergeron; 26-01-14 at 05:47. Reason: wrong name |
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Hi Robert
Could you set up a Browning on a fixed line (or to be more accurate, on several fixed lines) on the simple American mount? Not a problem on the Bren 'tripod'. It could also be used as a ground mounted AA mounting for the Bren. Though I grant you that I would not like to be the guy who had to carry it to where it was needed. On the other hand, Alex (about three posts up) says this thread is about Motley mounts. If you look at the top, it is about Bren LMG mounts and I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Lakeman mount, seen on many British tanks in the earlier part of the war. Chris |
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