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Old 22-05-08, 07:07
Rob Beale Rob Beale is offline
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Here's a pick of the Waiouru one.

(It has NZ fleet no on the left side, and T number on the right side)
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Old 22-05-08, 07:16
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yea rob i got that, thought you wanted to know what the diffrence between driveing them was, as you worded it. ow well

did that carrier have armor installed on the rear? i know about the scouts....

there was a rebuild system in the UK that took the older scout / MG carriers and rebuilt them to UC MKI standards, then there was another where they took MKIs and rebuilt them to MKII standards latter. was wondering if it could be a rebuild due to it looking like it had some armor on the rear at one time.
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Old 22-05-08, 11:29
Rob Beale Rob Beale is offline
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Default Cheers Dave,

I was looking at the first image in Jim's opening post, and I reckon there are remains of the original armour in the back right corner, which would have been similar to a universal. I would like to see a photo of the left side to see if that is similar to the right side of the Waiouru Bren, with only the track guard at the rear.

I have driven a Mk I in NZ, and was luck enough to get a drive in a Mk II at Beltring in 2001, thanks to Nigel Watson. Most of my carrier driving has been LP2 / 2A carriers.

The Bren I drove has the smaller motor in it, but is quite peppy due to the lower weight without the universals rear armour.

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Old 22-05-08, 12:06
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
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Please post a pile more detail photos.
That is a most amazing find. According to Nigels book it has hinged armour plate at the rear, in keeping with what see in the photo.
I note that the air ducting is rounded on the out side not two flat sides as found in a universal. I am suprised that it made it to this side of the world, and it may be the only Mk1 Scout left anywhere.
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Old 22-05-08, 12:12
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According to Nigels book," T5255 to T5550 (contract T6024) 296 units were built by Aveling Barford
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Old 22-05-08, 12:14
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Jim,
It is good to see that another one has surfaced of these rare beasties in Oz.
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Old 22-05-08, 12:21
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
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The Scout looks like a universal when veiwed from the right side and from the left side, has the long box on the top of the guard.
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Old 22-05-08, 12:41
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More pictures .
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Old 30-08-09, 00:56
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The Scout looks like a universal when veiwed from the right side and from the left side, has the long box on the top of the guard.
The Scout in the picture Lynn posts is most likely the prototype or certainly one of the first. It is based on the Machine Gun Carrier. Main recogniseable difference from the photograph is the lower position of the front track adjusting idler wheel, and the subsequent sloped mudguards over it. It looks as this great find that Jim shows has the early Bren features.
Wouldn't it be great if it turned out to be the one pictured entering Fort Capuzzi in North Africa?

Look forward to seeing it come to life.

Nigel
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