Canadian Dodge CMP prototype photo

[rob love]

Perhaps it was a prototype to go along with the larger 17 pdr. I think I see winch fairleads both front and rear, and the design of the cargo box is a bit different. Perhaps it has a Dodge flathead powering it. While we identify those axles as Ford axles, they are simply of the timken design, and would have been available toany manufacturer who wanted them. Note also the foothole on the right side gate.



Lots of perhaps here...I'll check my design branch records and see if there is any further info.

[Jordan Baker]

Good catch Rob.

Here are the fair leads close up.

[Keith Webb]

The Dodge engine may be present, you can't tell but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't bother to tool up to build an identical copy of a Ford with what looks suspiciously like FORD CANADA under the headlights. It even has the Ford horn and overflow tank. Perhaps they were contracted to modify a Ford F60S for gun towing. I see they removed the Ford badge from the grille.
The front fairleads are the typical 1944-45 third type as used on other CMPs.
I suspect the same goes for the one with the three badges in the publicity photos and the low-res pic of what is pretty obviously a Ford F15 with a Dodge badge.

[rob love]

Dodge did put together a lot of the technical bodies, so perhaps their involvement was just the cargo box and things like the winch and fairleads.

[David Dunlop]

I would lean towards Rob’s comments that Chrysler designed and built the FAT body that was simply mated to the Ford Cab and Chassis.

As for the older posting of the Cab 13 CMP with all the people hanging out of it. Definitely not the Dodge CMP. That was part of a series of publicity shots taken to celebrate the milestone in overall CMP production. There is a complete series of those shots somewhere. For whatever reason, they shipped a Ford CMP all the way to Oshawa and the photos were taken at the GM plant there with mucky mucks from Ford, Chrysler and GM present.

David

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

As for the older posting of the Cab 13 CMP with all the people hanging out of it. Definitely not the Dodge CMP. That was part of a series of publicity shots taken to celebrate the milestone in overall CMP production. There is a complete series of those shots somewhere. For whatever reason, they shipped a Ford CMP all the way to Oshawa and the photos were taken at the GM plant there with mucky mucks from Ford, Chrysler and GM present.

That was an F60L, see http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=22824

H.

[Bob Carriere]

Fantastic pictures Jordan....... and they were taken in Ottawa ....... from Lebreton's Flat or about were the CWM is today.......

In Plate X and X11 you can see the Quebec side and I would bet a whole dollar that the 6 span bridge in the back ground is the Prince of Wales RR bridge that connected the marshaling yards of Lebreton to the PQ side just below the current Hull Armory at St Joseph blvd. Bridge is still there although unused. Pretty sure that the little building was a RR office in the flats...... behind it would be Mechanicsville....rough part of town on "the other side" of the tracks just short of where Tunneys Pasture was filled with government buildings in the late 50/60.

There is no way to tell if a Chrysler 6 or even the straight 8 was installed on the Ford power train.

....and I believe that the ballasted trailer is the same, with fenders removed, that Grant has almost finished restoring.

PS.... it is the same as Grant's trailer...... notice the tailgate bottom center...it has a small flap door that opens outward.....Grant reproduced it but we have no idea what it was intended for...... also just front of the trailer rear spring hanger you can see the dark outline of where the fender bracket was located.....finally the drop sides have been removed....... but on top of the side panels the hinges are still visible.....

PPS.....plate IX and plate V11...... there seems to be an exhaust pipe on the driver's side......which would be logical with a Chrysler (6 or 8) engine and almost necessary with the winch on the passenger side.....

That's it!!!

[Matt Austin]

I wonder if it's anything like the rear bodies built by GMH Special Body Division for a range of Aussie-built/assembled vehicles like my International K5?