Info needed: correct colours for WWII Aust vehicles

[Mrs Vampire]

This thread really says it all so far as colours are concerned

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=12627

[cliff]

The Khaki Green is Post 1942 green as mentioned above while the light stone formula is as follows

Humbrol paints again

8 parts #74 matt linen
1 part #26 matt Khaki

This gives a nice two tone cammo with the light stone being applied over the green.

Mike Cecil's formula again

[Mrs Vampire]

Taa Cliff

[Mike Cecil]

Cliff,

I had forgotten all that! How many years ago was that? I don't remember actually coming up with a Humbrol-based formula, but I certainly remember having done a lot of work on paint colour matching back in the early-mid 90s when I was given a copy of the Standards Assoc booklet (very much pre-AWM days, by the way). Mike Starmer (UK) and I had quite a deal of communication about it at the time.

Actually, we should probably thank my long-suffering artist wife, Krystii Melaine for the matching: I'm hopeless at it.

I'll qualify all this by saying that, despite the reference to Khaki Green this, or Light Earth that, the actual shades of these varied, due to manufacturer/batch differences, 'treatment' (how much thinner or matting agent is used, how well it was mixed pre-application, etc) and use, including sun/weather, dust, mud exposure, etc. Hence, there is never anything definitive about the shades of the colours once applied.

But in the absence of anything else ..... it makes a fine starting point.

Mike C

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Mike Cecil

Cliff,

I had forgotten all that! How many years ago was that? I don't remember actually coming up with a Humbrol-based formula, but I certainly remember having done a lot of work on paint colour matching back in the early-mid 90s when I was given a copy of the Standards Assoc booklet (very much pre-AWM days, by the way). Mike Starmer (UK) and I had quite a deal of communication about it at the time.

Actually, we should probably thank my long-suffering artist wife, Krystii Melaine for the matching: I'm hopeless at it.

I'll qualify all this by saying that, despite the reference to Khaki Green this, or Light Earth that, the actual shades of these varied, due to manufacturer/batch differences, 'treatment' (how much thinner or matting agent is used, how well it was mixed pre-application, etc) and use, including sun/weather, dust, mud exposure, etc. Hence, there is never anything definitive about the shades of the colours once applied.

But in the absence of anything else ..... it makes a fine starting point.

Mike C

Mike dare I say it you must be getting old . Yes these paint formula came from you a long time ago. I will in the near future try and match the different colours with acrylic based paint for my models but the initial work definately came from you.

[Jacques Reed]

I have attached an extract from APAS 0006, the current Australian Paint Approval Scheme. It is downloadable for those that are interested.

Of interest, the current Australian Army Olive Drab is taken to be US Federal Standards 595B, FS 34088.

I noted on a model paint cross reference site that Humbrol #150 Matt Forest Green is close in match to FS 34127. This is the base for Mike Cecil's WW2 colour.

I pulled out my 25 year old old Federal Standards 595A to have a look at the relevant chips. FS 34127 is there but FS 34088 was not in existence then.

I realize colour reproduction is nonexistent on a computer screen but have attached a macro photo of the 595A chips just for interest. These are only 1" x 1/2"
The closest colour chip to present day Australian Army olive drab in my old desk book is FS 34087. Federal Standards also supplies 3" x 5" chips which are used for actual paint manufacture or to anyone interested.

Hope you find this interesting.

Cheers

[Mike Cecil]

Hi Jaques, and Cliff,

Just back from Arizona hence the delayed response.

I've just been through my colours file, and note that many of the notations are dated in the early to mid-1990s. Cliff: can't find any reference to Humbrol colours, but I (ie Krystii) did go to the trouble of matching, as close as possible, the ASC colours to the US Federal Standard Color chart, based on the 1943 Standards Association chart.

Mike C