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[Seatyger]

Rob, I have pretty thick skin LOL! As President of my Police Association I was quoted in Parliament by our MP concerning our distrust and disgust of the Long Gun Registry amongst other things.

We withdrew from the Canadian Police Association over the political Whoremanship displayed when they 180'd on it and chose to support its survival.

Not everyone in an official capacity supports any of this crap. It makes me want to vomit when I see them destroy items of interest to Canadian citizens. Be it Lynx APC's, MLVW's, Browning HiPowers to Naval training vessels. So its is an educational process from within as well. We are getting there, at least in my area. I know of others trying to do the same.

As far as I am concerned Screw the Criminal element and the parasites that feed off them......but that takes work and diligence.

Its far easier to grab something off an established collector.
Someone who likely won't fight back. Or have limited means to do so.

It will take a strong collective effort to make them back off. And they do eventually. Another Cause will be developed for them to Champion.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

I've been reading this thread with interest, and though question and the response was more particular to Canada, the thoughts about staying out of problems are pretty universal.

Years ago we had a very active and large regional MV Club in New England in fact had one of the largest conventions. That club for all intensive purposes died over an incident at a club rally when a bunch of drunken yahoos decided it would be fun to go off in the middle of the night for a blackout trail ride. Including an armored scout car with 50cal machine gun simulator. You guess the next event, gee lets fire the simulator while driving around on country roads. Well these guys arrived back at the camp site followed shortly by a very large contingent of State Police. Because these guys had succeeded in blending into the rest of the group, no body got arrested, the "Machine Gun" did get confiscated. The Police did take down the licenses plate number of every military vehicle there. One of the reasons that nobody got arrested and everything got calm down quickly was that some of the people who got woken up at the camp site when all the blue lights arrived were several police officers who were members of the club, they were not amused to hear about the activities.

Result was that the next morning a good sized group decided it was time for a new club that was more oriented on the military vehicles, family camping and having fun driving our MVs in the woods. That splinter group club has been around for 25 years now. The old group is long gone.

So the advice of don't ask for trouble is pretty universal.

Cheers Phil