ILTIS mystery body hole

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by rob love

I was also thinking that the dimensions were similar to the old 2 pin slave, but there are a few problems with that location. It would require some filler blocks to properly mount over the stamped rib, and sticking beyond the side is not a normal place to extend equipment. I am thinking it was more likely something to do with the TCCCs systems, but that is purely a guess.

The army got serious about the unauthorised mods when the Iltis came out. Some of the older jeeps had more oddball holes in them than swiss cheese, between map boards, goody boxes, and the odd stereos.

The thing that puts me off a bit is that I can't think of anything to do with TCCCS that uses a plug or cable anywhere near 2" in diameter. I'm still thinking Slave Cable or Generator Plug, but either way, strange.....

[Marc Montgomery]

yep, had a few guesses that it was for Tics, and Scotty's suggestion of a slave outlet..but Im surprised at how few photos there are of the drivers side of Iltis. but so far no definitive answer, photos, etc.

i know one guy who put a military outliet from a truck shelter box into the hole, as he had a dynamo or something in the back.

As mentioned, Ive seen several with the holes. Unfortunately, my jeep is not handy so I cant get the exact diameter

[rob love]

While a DC socket would not stick out so far, and therefore be a possibility, it seems to me that the bolt pattern for them was more squarish, whereas this one is more the shape of a slave receptacle.

The engineers in Ottawa made a mistake on the M109s and installed a slave cable outlet onto the back of the turret. The idea was that a small 2kw generator, mounted on the back of the turret, would keep the batteries charged up rather than having to run the main engine of the M109. Only problem was that the troops found it much easier to hook their slave cables to that outlet. The turret ring commutator brushes were not made to have 300 or more amps run through them on a cold start. A DC receptacle would have been the correct item to have been installed there, but the bolt patterns were not the same so there was no easy fix.

[Scott Bentley]

Not sure if any of this will answer your question, but I took some pics of a TCCCS RT-522 Installation installed in a G-Wagon. Its a Single IKEE, but really, other than a Second Radio and AMU, the install parts are essentially the same.

One can surmise that in all reality, the electronic parts should have been the same in an Iltis, and really, the install itself should have been very similar. Keep in mind, the G-Wagon is a fully enclosed "hard top" vehicle, so by rights, any Comms related "Ports" that need to be hard mounted outside will have been done to it.

Rad A installed in Doghouse with the NAU mounted on top. I'll ask one of the TCCCS literate guys what the "V1" Port is for as it is 1.5" OD. I suspect it is for an Amp:

I may copy the way these are locked on my own Radios:

Radio Interface Panel with Power Switch. Kinda like a uber-modern version of the old Bendix Connection. Don't get excited, those plugs are all only 1.25" OD :

Control Indicator or "CI" mounted on the Dash, you can also see the new DAGR GPS Holder over on the A Pillar:

Another angle on the CI:

AMU on the Back Corner:

New Style Single Pin Slave Cable Outlet:

Lastly, for those of you guys who like to stencil stuff, there is an example of how the vehicle tools are marked (notice that the numbers don't match, and the neither are the same as the CFR on the truck ):


Again, not sure if any of this helps in your quest, but as you can see, there aren't really any 2" Plugs on any of the TCCCS kit that go to the outside of the vehicle.

[Scott Bentley]

Apparently i'll start eating some Crow now.

Through my own research of Combat Camera, I found a picture of the "Plug".


The hole is from an External Power Cable for the "new" IKEE:
The Hi-Res is here: http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca...hotos&download

A convoy of Iltis vehicles prepare to leave Camp Courcelette in Bihac, Bosnia-Herzgovina in the early morning fog. Personnel from the Royal Canadian Dragoons Battle Group (RCD BG) were on their way to conduct an early morning operation. There are currently 1220 Canadians enforcing the peace in Bosnia-Herzegovina as part of NATO's Stabilization Force.
Photo:Warrant Officer Peter Veldhuizen Canadian Forces Combat Camera

That is a ton of collateral damage for this little plug:


Although not a part of the Comms Install itself, this is an external plug to connect to the IKEE on the inside:


As a side note Mont, one of the Iltis in the pic is probably yours as that was the Roto it was part of based on our off-line discussions.

[Marc Montgomery]

AHA! very cool photos! I am curious, the little plug on the G-wagen appears to have a smaller squarish plate than the one on the iltis..which is clearly larger and rectangular.. (?!?!?)

so what would that plug be connected to on the inside? is it a direct hookup to something..or cabled to something

Scotty thanks for all your help!

BTW- notice on the first jeep theres a tube(?) appears to exit the body at the back..I wonder what that was

[Scott Bentley]

Marc,

As noted in the pics above, that Plug is connected to the Power Supply on the inside. No idea if it's for taking on or providing power out. Dunno, never seen it used.

No idea why they butchered the body to install a 15mm Plug. Stranger things have happened. Good luck finding one though. With the TCCCS having all sorts of voodoo crypto abilities built in, I doubt they will ever see the light of day outside of the CF (through official channels) which IMO, makes trying to mimic the Comms system an exercise in futility.