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Old 06-02-11, 21:08
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I saw that Greg Wright had some on his milsurp website but they are the red Iltis style ones.
Considering that I want to maintain the appearance of a mid to late 70's Jeep, I do require the blue one.
Rob, is the bracket special?
Greg has all kinds of stuff that he doesn't catalog. He has a couple sheds and an old house trailer full of gear. Write him and ask. He can only say no.
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Old 07-02-11, 02:21
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I believe that the colour of the extinguisher indicates the type of propellant gas: red extinguishers (good for normal temperature ranges) probably use
carbon dioxide. I believe the blue ones were charged with nitrogen which maintains a better pressure at low temperatures.
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Old 07-02-11, 15:40
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Brian, pm sent...
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Old 07-02-11, 17:41
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I did some quick research on the color and temp ratings, and I don't think the color has anything to do with it. There are two different ratings for the red line extinguisher, which include a low temp version which are good to some ungodly temp like -65, so it is doubtful that you would have one rated below that. All are presently painted red.
From the product spec sheet:
Temperature Ranges: -40° F to 120° F (-40° C to 49° C) and -65° F to 120° F (-54° C to 49° C) for Low Temp models

What I did find was that the old British rating system had french blue as indicating the extinguisher had dry powder in it. That system was changed in 1997, but it could very well be that the DND colored it's extinguishers based on the British system or an earlier Canadian system, and has never changed it's specs. Currently, the Canadian spec does call for the C type extinguishers to have a blue circle on them with the letter C in it.

Next time I see some of the guys I know at the base fire hall, I'll ask them.
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Old 07-02-11, 20:02
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The main reason or interest that I have with the blue Ansul is the fact that they are correct for a circa 1970's Canadian mv....

Like to do things correctly, otherwise it'd be like putting a Canadian Tire extinguisher on your cmp or MB!!!!

Anyhow, I can put this to rest as I have sourced what I need. Thanks for all the help.
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Old 07-02-11, 20:39
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The main reason or interest that I have with the blue Ansul is the fact that they are correct for a circa 1970's Canadian mv....

Like to do things correctly, otherwise it'd be like putting a Canadian Tire extinguisher on your cmp or MB!!!!

Anyhow, I can put this to rest as I have sourced what I need. Thanks for all the help.
Chris
Debate is important...that's how we learn. It is one thing trying to decide what color is correct now while these are still in service. Can you imagine someone trying to figure it out 50 years from now after everyone who has seen the original are long gone? Even photos don't always do justice to what was normal. Look at how many times a photo was staged for a photographer. Or some obscure piece of equipment has become the norm in the minds of current collectors based on one photo.
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Old 08-02-11, 01:04
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Agreed whole-heartedly Rob!
It is funny that you mention what becomes urban myth based on what experts say or from pics posed etc. Debate is a good thing.

"Can you imagine someone trying to figure it out 50 years from now after everyone who has seen the original are long gone?"
This is another reason I try to do accurate restoration work, carefully researched so that pics of my stuff taken now does'nt have inaccuracies which may be taken ad-liem in the future.
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Old 07-02-11, 20:16
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I did some quick research on the color and temp ratings, and I don't think the color has anything to do with it. There are two different ratings for the red line extinguisher, which include a low temp version which are good to some ungodly temp like -65, so it is doubtful that you would have one rated below that. All are presently painted red.
From the product spec sheet:
Temperature Ranges: -40° F to 120° F (-40° C to 49° C) and -65° F to 120° F (-54° C to 49° C) for Low Temp models

What I did find was that the old British rating system had french blue as indicating the extinguisher had dry powder in it. That system was changed in 1997, but it could very well be that the DND colored it's extinguishers based on the British system or an earlier Canadian system, and has never changed it's specs. Currently, the Canadian spec does call for the C type extinguishers to have a blue circle on them with the letter C in it.

Next time I see some of the guys I know at the base fire hall, I'll ask them.
This makes sense...

My 5 lb Purple K (Light Blue) has a decal right on it that says "LOW TEMPURATURE" in big letters. I'll take a pic when I get home.
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