Did Canadian army in ETO use 4x2 CMPs?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David_Hayward

There is of course a photo of a F[?].15 in Dr Gregg's book when it mentions that they were obsolete.

Ah yes, that one - see quote from CMPs first used in action: June 1940, France below. While its census number CZ 4204396 denotes overseas service, this picture was most likely taken in the UK (possibly at Borden, Hampshire). But according to the vehicle data book which was reproduced in Gregg's book, by 1944 4x2 trucks were no longer used in operatonal commands, but limited numbers were used in the UK as general purpose load carrier for supplies and stores by CRU or other base units.

Hanno

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

David, I think this could even be an actual example of that batch. The countryside in the background looks like it could be in the UK, but there are not enough clues to be sure of that.

However, its census number CZ 4204396 implies overseas service. Do have have a list of the census numbers that were applied by the CMD?

Also note that the paintwork is weathered (especially on the roof) and the left front fender is somewhat battered. So it must have been in use for some time, possibly as a runabout / barracks hack. A truck looking like this when assigned to an active unit would certainly not pass inspection by the RSM.
F15-Cab11-CZ4204396.jpg

[gordon]

Reading through the scheduling of the 4 x 2 and 4 x 4 changeover above, it would seem to me that they concentrated on 4 x 4 CMPs from 1942 on because of the huge quantities of 4x2 Dodge trucks, D15 and D60, that they had available from that point. It would be relatively easy to concentrate production of 4 x 4s as Chev and Ford, and leave Dodge to churn out all the 4 x 2's.

In fact Canadian Dodge production pretty much went the other way, starting with the 4 x 4 D8A, and swapping over to 4 x 2 D15 and D60 types at around the same time the Chev and Ford production changed.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here are two more pictures of a Ford F15 4x2 with a British cargo body:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21640011@N07/4360903714

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21640011@N07/4360186567/

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here are two more pictures of a Ford F15 4x2 with a British cargo body:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21640011@N07/4360903714

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21640011@N07/4360186567/

Granted, this truck seems to be in use with the British Army and not the Canadian Army.

These Cab 13's with British 15-cwt body could well be chassis/cabs delivered for completion as Polsten AA trucks, which were no longer needed when the Allies gained air superiority, and converted into GS trucks.

4360903714_1a53a9e636_z.jpg 4360186567_19a047a9a1_z.jpg

[Hendrik van Oorspronk]

At least a 4x2 on 39 sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0VumA283eA


Greetings

Hendrik

[Alex van de Wetering]

F15 in Alkmaar 1945. However...is it British or Canadian?

The second picture of the Jeep and Fordson were taken on the same day and on the same location. Fordson and jeep are clearly marked Canadian.....so F15 as well???


Source: http://www.regionaalarchiefalkmaar.n...beeldcollectie

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

F15 in Alkmaar 1945. However...is it British or Canadian?

The second picture of the Jeep and Fordson were taken on the same day and on the same location. Fordson and jeep are clearly marked Canadian.....so F15 as well???

To my knowledge, it were Canadian units which took over control of the Western part of Holland after the German surrender. So, I'd say the F15 was in Canadian use.

Another great find, you are "good busy"

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

F15 in Alkmaar 1945. However...is it British or Canadian? The second picture of the Jeep and Fordson were taken on the same day and on the same location. Fordson and jeep are clearly marked Canadian.....so F15 as well???

Here's another picture of another F15, taken at Amsterdam, 8 May 1945, when Canadian units were entering the town to liberate it.

keijzer03.jpg

Location: Noorder Amstellaan (Churchill-laan); photo by Mr. Chris de Keijzer
Source: http://www.zuidelijkewandelweg.nl/ar...ding/index.htm

Photographic proof, not in abundance, but clearly Canadian units used 4x2 CMP trucks....

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hendrik van Oorspronk

At least a 4x2 on 39 sec.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0VumA283eA

Yep, looks like another one with British 15-cwt body.

Nice find!

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[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Granted, this truck seems to be in use with the British Army and not the Canadian Army.

These Cab 13's with British 15-cwt body could well be chassis/cabs delivered for completion as Polsten AA trucks, which were no longer needed when the Allies gained air superiority, and converted into GS trucks.

4360903714_1a53a9e636_b.jpg

I found a third picture showing a partial rear view of the wooden body of what is likely to be the same truck as posted above:

4360909454_72beb1ac5a_b.jpg
Source: https://flic.kr/p/7DmNs3