C8AX production

[Tony Smith]

Bob McNeill has found yet another, No -518 in This Thread, so the list is now:

XH8448-073 FR3867782 mfd 5 - 3 – 43
XH8448-079 FR3862924 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22897
XH8448-080 FR3852622 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22958
XH8448-087 FR3838752 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22899
XH8448-161 FR3838745 mfd 5 - 3 - 43
XH8448-199 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ25422
XH8448-229 FR3863719 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ23261
XH8448-252
XH8448-254 FR3863431 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-273 FR3863445 NZ26023
XH8448-275 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-322 FR3863983 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-339 FR3864029 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-377 FR3863573 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-382 FR3863937 mfd. 5 May 43
XH8448-392 FR3864366 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-394 FR3863668 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-419 FR3863618 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-427 FR3863894 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-428 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-452
XH8448-459 FR3863469 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-481 FR3863988 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-496 FR3863872 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-497 FR3863875 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-502 FR3863593 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-518 FR3864176 mfd 5-5-43 RN 68022
XH8448-564 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-594 FR3863668 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-606 FR3864085 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-611 FR3864083 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-622 FR3863893 mfd 5 4-43
XH8448-634 FR3864089 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-650 FR3883923 mfd 5 May-43
XH8448-657 FR3864068 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-718 FR3864330 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-721 FR3864172 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-742 FR3863886 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-747 FR3963973 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-833 FR3863827 mfd 5 June 43 NZ25791
XH8448-834 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-857 FR3864045 mfd 5 June 43 NZ25526
XH8448-870 FR38635?4 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-887 FR3863776 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-890 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-891 FR38638?2 NZ25051[/QUOTE]

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Just to go back...XH = GM Overseas Operations code for New Zealand. It related to the two plants, and then around 1955 it changed to 'NZ' for some reason!

It appears as though XH8448, or the equivalent in South Africa...XG844x, indicates a model number. GM of Canada tended to differentiate models by destination, with 'X1' to 'X9' used as a suffix. In this case the stamper has added '-' then the sequential number starting with '001' which is interesting, since it could have been '1', and it looks rather neat. However whomever did the stamping varied the date format, between 'US' and 'British' styles.

Also noteworthy is that the 1943ish-on GM of Canada plate change (there was evidently a running-change, e.g. with the C60S 1942-3 Models) brought in a new plate with 'DATE OF M[ANU]F[ACTURIN]G' instead of 'MANUFACTURED' or 'ASSEMBLED'. This plate design was not used post-war, and was evidently restricted to CMPs unless anyone knows of a 1943-44 MCP with one?

[chirotim]

Hi there

I got two data plates with my completely dismantled C8AX. It is now restored as a wireless truck (NZ body) as this was what the chassis was from.

Numbers are; XH 8448-102 engine FR 3838726 and XH 8448-068 FR3852738.

If anyone out in MLP land can tell me what the New Zealand service number was for these plates I'll be forever indebted.

More info for the list anyways.

[Ken Hughes]

A bit further info on the C8AX wide front guards is that they are exactly the same size, and same position boltholes as the ones off my F30,i wonder if they were ordered with wide guards for wide sized wheels.I am restoring a C8AX cab at the moment for a fellow club member.

[Tony Smith]

Another has turned up in the thread "CMPs for sale in NZ", so the list is now:

XH8448-073 FR3867782 mfd 5 - 3 – 43
XH8448-079 FR3862924 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22897
XH8448-080 FR3852622 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22958
XH8448-087 FR3838752 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22899
XH8448-161 FR3838745 mfd 5 - 3 - 43
XH8448-199 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ25422
XH8448-229 FR3863719 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ23261
XH8448-252
XH8448-254 FR3863431 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-273 FR3863445 NZ26023
XH8448-275 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-322 FR3863983 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-339 FR3864029 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-377 FR3863573 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-382 FR3863937 mfd. 5 May 43
XH8448-392 FR3864366 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-394 FR3863668 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-419 FR3863618 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-427 FR3863894 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-428 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-436 FR3864114 mfd 5 May 43 NZ 25690
XH8448-452
XH8448-459 FR3863469 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-481 FR3863988 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-496 FR3863872 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-497 FR3863875 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-502 FR3863593 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-518 FR3864176 mfd 5-5-43 RN 68022
XH8448-564 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-594 FR3863668 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-606 FR3864085 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-611 FR3864083 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-622 FR3863893 mfd 5 4-43
XH8448-634 FR3864089 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-650 FR3883923 mfd 5 May-43
XH8448-657 FR3864068 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-718 FR3864330 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-721 FR3864172 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-742 FR3863886 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-747 FR3963973 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-833 FR3863827 mfd 5 June 43 NZ25791
XH8448-834 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-857 FR3864045 mfd 5 June 43 NZ25526
XH8448-870 FR38635?4 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-887 FR3863776 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-890 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-891 FR38638?2 NZ25051

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I am having eyesight problems so can anyone spot on the previous list what is not on mine please?

XH8448-067
XH8448-068 ENGINE # FR3852738
XH8448-073 ENGINE # FR3867782 MFGD. 5 - 3 – 43
XH8448-079 ENGINE # FR3862924 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-080 ENGINE # FR3852622
XH8448-087 ENGIINE # FR3838752 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-102 ENGINE # FR3838726
XH8448-161 ENGINE # FR3838745 MFGD. 5 3 43
XH8448-199 ENGINE # FR? MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-229 ENGINE # FR3863719 MFGD. 5 3-43
XH8448-252
XH8448-254 ENGINE # FR3863431 MFGD. 5 4-43
XH8448-273 ENGINE # FR3863445
XH8448-275 MFGD. 5 4 43 ?
XH8448-322 ENGINE # FR3863983 MFGD. 5 4-43
XH8448-339 ENGINE # FR3864029 MFGD. 5-4-43
XH8448-377 ENGINE # FR3863573 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-382 ENGINE # FR3863937 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-392 ENGINE # FR3864366MFGD. 5-5-43
XH8448-394 ENGINE # FR3863668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-419 ENGINE # FR3863618 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-427 ENGINE # FR3863894 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-428 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-436 FR3864114 mfd 5 May 43 NZ 25690
XH8448-452
XH8448-459 ENGINE # FR3863469 MFGD. 5-5-43
XH8448-481 ENGINE # FR3863988 MFGD. 5-5-43
XH8448-496 ENGINE # FR3863872 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-497 ENGINE # FR3,863875 MFGD. # 5- 5-43
XH8448-502 ENGINE # FR3863593 MFGD. 5 5-43
XH8448-518 ENGINE # FR3864176 MFGD. 5-5-43
XH8448-564 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-594 ENGINE # FR3863668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-606 ENGINE # FR3864085 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-611 ENGINE # FR 3864083 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-622 ENGINE # FR3863893 MFGD. 5 4-43
XH8448-634 ENGINE # FR3864089 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-647 ENGINE # FR3864026 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-650 ENGINE # FR3883923 MFGD. 5 MAY-43
XH8448-657 ENGINE # FR3864068 MFGD. 5 MAY 43
XH8448-718 ENGINE # FR3864330 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-721 ENGINE # FR3864172 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-742 ENGINE # FR3863886 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-747 ENGINE # PR3963973 DATE 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-833 ENGINE # FR3863827 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-834 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-857 ENGINE # FR3864045 MFGD.5 JUNE 43
XH8448-870 ENGINE # FR38635?4 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH9448-887 ENGINE # FR3863776 5 JUNE 43
XH8448-890 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43
XH 8448-891 ENGINE # FR38638?2
XH8448-903

[Brian Gough]

From Tony Smith's post today

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...102#post127102

it looks like there is one more (#596) to add to the list.


Brian

[Lynn Eades]

I would contact Jeff Plowman in P/North...... "Forever indebted" Hmmmmm.... Maybe I should ask him?

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Brian Gough

From Tony Smith's post today

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/sh...102#post127102

it looks like there is one more (#596) to add to the list.


Brian

Oops, too many thumbs! It's should be -594, which is already on the list.

[Ausmick]

Went out to Coonamble NSW to look for a spare part today. The old chap had a C8AX that was done up quite nice. I spotted the number and was surprised how low it was - 016. Put me onto a wreck at Baradine that is C8AX too.

Engine # FR3552612
Number - 016
Manufacture 5 - 5 - 43
Door Number 23069

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Thanks for that..the earliest known (to me)!

[Tony Smith]

Following the latest updates, the list is now:

XH8448-016 FR3852612 mfd 5 - 3 – 43 NZ23069
XH8448-068 FR3852738 mfd 5 - 3 – 43
XH8448-073 FR3867782 mfd 5 - 3 – 43
XH8448-079 FR3862924 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22897
XH8448-080 FR3852622 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22958
XH8448-087 FR3838752 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ22899
XH8448-102 FR3838726 mfd 5 - 3 – 43
XH8448-161 FR3838745 mfd 5 - 3 - 43
XH8448-199 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ25422
XH8448-229 FR3863719 mfd 5 - 3 - 43 NZ23261
XH8448-252
XH8448-254 FR3863431 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-273 FR3863445 NZ26023
XH8448-275 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-322 FR3863983 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-339 FR3864029 mfd 5 - 4 - 43
XH8448-377 FR3863573 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-382 FR3863937 mfd. 5 May 43
XH8448-392 FR3864366 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-394 FR3863668 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-419 FR3863618 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-427 FR3863894 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-428 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-436 FR3864114 mfd 5 May 43 NZ 25690
XH8448-452
XH8448-459 FR3863469 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-481 FR3863988 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-496 FR3863872 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-497 FR3863875 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-502 FR3863593 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-518 FR3864176 mfd 5-5-43 RN 68022
XH8448-564 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-594 FR3863668 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-606 FR3864085 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-611 FR3864083 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-622 FR3863893 mfd 5 4-43
XH8448-634 FR3864089 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-650 FR3883923 mfd 5 May-43
XH8448-657 FR3864068 mfd 5 May 43
XH8448-718 FR3864330 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-721 FR3864172 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-742 FR3863886 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-747 FR3863973 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-833 FR3863827 mfd 5 June 43 NZ25791
XH8448-834 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-857 FR3864045 mfd 5 June 43 NZ25526
XH8448-870 FR38635?4 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-887 FR3863776 mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-890 FR ? ? ? ? mfd 5 June 43
XH8448-891 FR38638?2 NZ25051

[Ausmick]

Hi Tony,

Yes the numbers are 385 not 355. Just got word from the chap who owns it. Said between his eyes and the etching on the data plate it was hard to read.

Another point of interest on this list would be to also post the location, even town name only, where these old girls are. I know 016 is Coonamble and mine 518 and Moody’s 275 are located in Coonabarabran. Just a thought.

Mick

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Thanks for the input and correction. Somewhere out there must be #1!!!

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by David_Hayward (RIP)

Thanks for the input and correction. Somewhere out there must be #1!!!

David, we can tell you that the search has continued, despite you not being here to give your input.

Still have not located 001, but have not found any vehicle higher than 900, either. Did anyone ever find the original purchase demand or contract details that listed how many C8AX went to NZ?

I have been considering the conundrum of the build dates. I wonder if we have automatically assumed the the "5" in the date field is actually meant to represent the day of the month? All of the stampings show the 5 well over to the left side of the box, while the month and year are on the far right hand side. I wonder if the 5 means something altogether different and the build date just records the Mth/Yr?

5 Mar 43 was a Friday.
5 Apr 43 was a Monday.
5 May 43 was a Wednesday.
5 June 43 was a Saturday.

What administrative, clerical or production milestone was recorded on the 5th of the month, when they were such diverse days? Maybe 5 instead represents an assembly section or production department at Petone, in the same way a batch or lot number might be shown for other defence products?

[David Dunlop]

Tony.

It does seem odd the ‘5’ is a constant on all data plates, and is always to the extreme left of the Date Box on the data plates. You might be correct in that it has nothing to do at all with the build date.

I know nothing about the CKD production process, but suspect the vehicles were never fully assembled by GM at their Oshawa plant. Assembly likely went only so far and then everything else was packed in the crates for shipment. It would make no sense to fully assembly the vehicles, test them and then strip them all down for crating.

So, if the CKD vehicle reaches the end point at the production line, technically for the GM plant in Oshawa, the assembly/build is not complete on a particular date, but all the pieces would be ready to go at some point in any given month and year. The ‘5’ might, therefore, be a reference code used internally by GM to denote a ‘Complete, but not assembled vehicle’ that is ready for shipping.

I think the work at GM’s Oshawa plant for GM would have only been the Cab and Chassis part of the CKD. The CKD body would have been shipped knocked down from its separate builder and/or sourced locally at a foreign Assembly Plant.

I have only ever seen one CKD complete vehicle. It was a Ford Cab 13 15-cwt GS. The cab data plates did not have ‘CKD’ on them anywhere as I recall, but the body data plate on the rear of the box did have ‘CKD stamped into it. The box came from a plant in Tillsonberg, Ontario as I recall.

Maybe it might be worth checking other CMP weight classes for surviving CKD vehicles from GM and see what their cab data plates have to say. The same ‘5’ stamp might show up on them as well as these cute little trucks.

Just my 2.5 cents worth.

David