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Puddle Jumper HUP
My Uncle Ray Hardgrave Built your hup at his workshop in hamilton for Don Walker. I went for a ride in it when I was a little Kid when it was a cab and GS Tray.
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Numbers
Do you have the engine number and assembly date please?
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Yes. I will post it when I get it off my truck at home. for some reason I can remember the XH number without looking it up.
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Hi Everyone,
Here's one seeing out its days in the bush amongst the tuis and bellbirds. C15441 XH 8448 - 611 FR 3864088 Order No. 2394 5 MAY 43 and another one being rebuilt not far away from there is: (no picture) C15441 XH 8448 - 073 FR 3867782 5 - 3 - 43 |
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It's still good, though, to be able to record the C8AX data plate. |
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Tony,
I don't know much about the details of these things. The data plate is on the dashboard unit which is detached from the cab frame and lying on the chassis. It may not be from the same vehicle as I assumed. Terry |
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Data
Thanks for the inputs!
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My C8AX
XH8448-887 FR3863776 2394 5 june 43 |
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More Numbers
Heres a few more
XH8448-339 FR3864029 Plate from my collection 5-4-43 XH8448-497 FR3863875 Dennis Whittaker 5-5-43 XH8448-650 FR3883923 Dennis Whittaker 5-MAY-43 XH8448-252 Bill Corpe NZ23998 XH8448-452 Bill Corpe More to come :dh: Dave |
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two more!
XH-8448-392
FR3864366 5-5-43 on a dash in my spares and XH-8448-459 FR3863469 5-5-43 a former Gisborne vehicle. Rob |
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Al Nicholson has spotted this one on E-bay.au in Queensland, Aust.
Serial -747 Eng PR3963973 Date 5 June 43 Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 10-11-11 at 15:07. Reason: link fixed |
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Data added to my collection thanks!
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PR or FR
Obviously it should read "FR" not "PR"
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Oops! An "FU" on my Part!
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Ahmm!!...............
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Total Now
Xh8448-079 Engine # Fr3862924 Mfgd. 5 3-43
Xh8448-080 Engine # Fr3852622 Xh8448-087 Fr3838752 Mfgd. 5 3-43 Xh8448-199 Engine # Fr? Mfgd. 5 3-43 Xh8448-229 Engine # Fr3863719 Mfgd. 5 3-43 Xh8448-252 Xh8448-254 Engine # Fr3863431 Mfgd. 5 4-43 Xh8448-273 Engine # Fr3863445 Xh8448-275 Mfgd. 5 4 43 ? Xh8448-322 Engine # Fr3863983 Mfgd. 5 4-43 Xh8448-339 Engine # Fr3864029 Mfgd. 5-4-43 Xh8448-377 Engine # Fr3863573 Mfgd. 5 5-43 Xh8448-382 Engine # Fr3863937 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-392 Engine # Fr3864366mfgd. 5-5-43 Xh8448-394 Engine # Fr3.863668 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-419 Engine # Fr3863618 Mfgd. 5 5-43 Xh8448-427 Engine # Fr3863894 Mfgd. 5 5-43 Xh8448-428 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-452 Xh8448-459 Engine # Fr3863469 Mfgd. 5-5-43 Xh8448-496 Engine # Fr3863872 Mfgd. 5 5-43 Xh8448-497 Engine # Fr3,863875 Mfgd. # 5- 5-43 Xh8448-502 Engine # Fr3863593 Mfgd. 5 5-43 Xh8448-564 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-594 Engine # Fr3863668 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-606 Engine # Fr3864085 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-611 Engine # Fr 3864083 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-622 Engine # Fr3863893 Mfgd. 5 4-43 Xh8448-634 Engine # Fr3864089 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-650 Engine # Fr3,883,923 5 May-43 Xh8448-657 Engine # Fr3864068 Mfgd. 5 May 43 Xh8448-718 Engine # Fr3864330 Mfgd. 5 June 43 Xh8448-721 Engine # Fr3864172 Mfgd. 5 June 43 >>xh8448-747 Engine # Fr3963973 Mfgd 5 June 43<< Xh8448-833 Engine # Fr3863827 Mfgd. 5 June 43 Xh8448-834 Mfgd. 5 June 43 Xh8448-870 Engine # Fr38635?4 Mfgd. 5 June 43 Xh9448-887 Engine # Fr3863776 5 June 43 Xh8448-890 Mfgd. 5 June 43 Xh8448-891 Engine # Fr38638?2 Xh8448-903 |
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C8ax
Hi Lads, I can tell the reason why there are in gaps in the dates. I was lucky to talk to an old chap a few years ago Tom Cadallader who was in charge of all CKD assembly from 1935-54. In fact there were four lots of assembly of the C8AX by GM Motors (Todd Bros, Petone)
The problem with the Petone Plant was by 1942 it was in full swing as a repair base for the U.S. Army for damaged Dodge vehicles, personnel & ammunition carriers from the Pacific. So by 1943 storage at the plant was tight and so the crates of CKD C8AX could only be assembled in small lots when room was avalible. Ah you ask 'What about the dates on the plates?' I have you answer, At the time a lot of the CKD crates were mixed up and were hard to access due to a full yard behind the plant so they would go around and do a rough estimate of what was at hand that could be completely assembled with what time frame they had in between U.S. vehicles arriving from the Pacific, so when they found 200 or so C8AX ready for assembly the would stamp the 200 or so plates that day or the next place them in a box with the new numbers for the crates and have them pigon holed for assembly line. I hope this has been the light at the end of the tunnel. |
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Up to date listing
This is the up-to-date listing now (known to me):
XH8448-073 ENGINE # FR3867782 MFGD. 5 - 3 – 43 XH8448-079 ENGINE # FR3862924 MFGD. 5 3-43 XH8448-080 ENGINE # FR3852622 XH8448-087 FR3838752 MFGD. 5 3-43 XH8448-161 ENGINE # FR3838745 MFGD. 5 3 43 XH8448-199 ENGINE # FR? MFGD. 5 3-43 XH8448-229 ENGINE # FR3863719 MFGD. 5 3-43 XH8448-252 XH8448-254 ENGINE # FR3863431 MFGD. 5 4-43 XH8448-273 ENGINE # FR3863445 XH8448-275 MFGD. 5 4 43 ? XH8448-322 ENGINE # FR3863983 MFGD. 5 4-43 XH8448-339 ENGINE # FR3864029 MFGD. 5-4-43 XH8448-377 ENGINE # FR3863573 MFGD. 5 5-43 XH8448-382 ENGINE # FR3863937 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-392 ENGINE # FR3864366MFGD. 5-5-43 XH8448-394 ENGINE # FR3.863668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-419 ENGINE # FR3863618 MFGD. 5 5-43 XH8448-427 ENGINE # FR3863894 MFGD. 5 5-43 XH8448-428 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-452 XH8448-459 ENGINE # FR3863469 MFGD. 5-5-43 XH8448-481 ENGINE # FR3863988 MFGD. 5-5-43 XH8448-496 ENGINE # FR3863872 MFGD. 5 5-43 XH8448-497 ENGINE # FR3863875 MFGD. # 5- 5-43 XH8448-502 ENGINE # FR3863593 MFGD. 5 5-43 XH8448-564 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-594 ENGINE # FR3863668 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-606 ENGINE # FR3864085 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-611 ENGINE # FR 3864083 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-622 ENGINE # FR3863893 MFGD. 5 4-43 XH8448-634 ENGINE # FR3864089 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-650 ENGINE # FR3883923 MFGD. 5 MAY-43 XH8448-657 ENGINE # FR3864068 MFGD. 5 MAY 43 XH8448-718 ENGINE # FR3864330 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43 XH8448-721 ENGINE # FR3864172 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43 XH8448-747 ENGINE # PR3,963,973 DATE 5 JUNE 43 XH8448-833 ENGINE # FR3863827 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43 XH8448-834 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43 XH8448-870 ENGINE # FR38635?4 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43 XH9448-887 ENGINE # FR3863776 5 JUNE 43 XH8448-890 MFGD. 5 JUNE 43 XH8448-891 ENGINE # FR38638?2 XH8448-903 |
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Aha!
APJ, that makes sense thanks! These CKD crates were mixed up, and the Engine Number mixes seem to prove that this was the 'case' if you'll excuse the pun.
The 'XH' code obviously indicates General Motors New Zealand Ltd, founded Petone in October 1926. The only other plant to allocated an 'X' code so far as I know was GM South African Pty Ltd in Port Elizabeth, code 'XG'. GM-Holden's generally just used the city code for each assembly plant, and did not use an 'H', e.g. 'HA' for Adelaide until the 1950s I think when the 'X' codes were abolished in favour of codes abbreviated from the city or company, e.g. 'NZ' for Upper Hutt, NZ, 'SA' for South Africa, and for our Dutch friends, 'C' or 'CA' for GM Continental, Antwerp. |
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NZ plants in Petone
There were three assembly plants in the Petone / Seaview area which is just north of the capital city, Wellington. ie: Ford, GM and Todd (Chrysler/Dodge)
I am puzzled: were Todds assembling GM products? Rob Incidentally the Todd family are now NZ's wealthiest family enterrprise. |
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Copied from the CCW Carrier transporter thread,
to keep things on track in this thread:
“Dave I have a list from around 1949 compiled from returns after the war, so many early vehicles must have been disposed of by then: nearly all the first 1800 NZ census numbers are missing. There is no detail of chassis serials recorded. The list includes 491 C8AX listed including GS (393), Wireless (50), Ambulance 4Str (31), LP Water (13), LP Disinfector (2) and Compressor (2) The last 3 are news to me. I want to see a photo of them now! The LP water cart is described in another memo as 132 gal (the MW Bedford is 200 gal) Rob” “Rob, It was probably some abortion ,using 3 x 44 gal drums. __________________ Bluebell” Good Point Lynn The maths show 3 x 44 gal = 132 gal Also 1 gal weighs 10 pound, so 132 gal weighs 1320 lb 8cwt x 112 lb = 896 lb, 15cwt x 112 lb = 1680 lb Given that the NZ army rated the 8cwt as both 15 cwt and 1 ton post war, I surmise that the water cart may have retained a GS deck, with 3 drums perhaps plumbed together to a water bar with taps like on the rear of the MW water cart. Rob |
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Chassis: XH8448-857 Engine: FR3864045 Date: 5 JUNE 43 NZ Army number: NZ25526
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C8AX front fenders
Hanno,
You have sharp eyes but it is correct. The C8AX does indeed have the wider front fenders of the C15A. Brian |
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Stolen
I have presented info from this thread to the seller.
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The thought occurred to me that the evolving list of serials should also include NZ Army numbers where known, so I have included that in the latest addition.
Any numbers known for vehicles already on the list?
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Here are a few, Tony
Xh8448-073 engine # fr3867782 mfgd. 5 - 3 – 43
xh8448-079 engine # fr3862924 mfgd. 5 3-43 nz22897 xh8448-080 engine # fr3852622 nz22958 xh8448-087 fr3838752 mfgd. 5 3-43 nz22899 xh8448-161 engine # fr3838745 mfgd. 5 3 43 xh8448-199 engine # fr? Mfgd. 5 3-43 nz25422 xh8448-229 engine # fr3863719 mfgd. 5 3-43 nz23261 xh8448-252 xh8448-254 engine # fr3863431 mfgd. 5 4-43 xh8448-273 engine # fr3863445 nz26023 xh8448-275 mfgd. 5 4 43 ? Xh8448-322 engine # fr3863983 mfgd. 5 4-43 xh8448-339 engine # fr3864029 mfgd. 5-4-43 xh8448-377 engine # fr3863573 mfgd. 5 5-43 xh8448-382 engine # fr3863937 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-392 engine # fr3864366mfgd. 5-5-43 xh8448-394 engine # fr3.863668 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-419 engine # fr3863618 mfgd. 5 5-43 xh8448-427 engine # fr3863894 mfgd. 5 5-43 xh8448-428 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-452 xh8448-459 engine # fr3863469 mfgd. 5-5-43 xh8448-481 engine # fr3863988 mfgd. 5-5-43 xh8448-496 engine # fr3863872 mfgd. 5 5-43 xh8448-497 engine # fr3863875 mfgd. # 5- 5-43 xh8448-502 engine # fr3863593 mfgd. 5 5-43 xh8448-564 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-594 engine # fr3863668 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-606 engine # fr3864085 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-611 engine # fr 3864083 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-622 engine # fr3863893 mfgd. 5 4-43 xh8448-634 engine # fr3864089 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-650 engine # fr3883923 mfgd. 5 may-43 xh8448-657 engine # fr3864068 mfgd. 5 may 43 xh8448-718 engine # fr3864330 mfgd. 5 june 43 xh8448-721 engine # fr3864172 mfgd. 5 june 43 xh8448-747 engine # pr3,963,973 date 5 june 43 xh8448-833 engine # fr3863827 mfgd. 5 june 43 nz25791 xh8448-834 mfgd. 5 june 43 xh8448-870 engine # fr38635?4 mfgd. 5 june 43 xh9448-887 engine # fr3863776 5 june 43 xh8448-890 mfgd. 5 june 43 xh8448-891 engine # fr38638?2 nz25051 xh8448-903 |
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