mix1, mat1. premixed paints? Any close to SCC2, or G3?

[Alex van de Wetering]

At every militaria fair I come across premixed MV paints in both spraycans and tins. They all seem to come from the same source and are only marked "Mix1", "Mat1" etc. I don't know who actually makes them, but I know for a fact that Jeep Mons in Belgium sells them. I used Mix1 for my parabike because I had a few cans in the garage and because Normandy was coming up quickly. I was actually very happy with the colour in the end, although I have to admit that I used an extra coat of matt varnish, which is actually somewhere in between matt and satin.
Anyway, apart from the Olive Drab-ish paint, there also is a tan and one or more tones of brown. Does anyone know if any of these paints come close to SCC 2? and what about Khaki green 3? anyone used these paints on a British or Canadian MV?
The reason I ask is because you can obtain these paints quite easily and they are reasonably priced.
Don't get me wrong, I want the " right" colour for my C8, but it just makes it a lot easier if you don't have to go to the paint shop over and over again until they got the correct satin-matt finish, the right colour or if you didn't order the correct amount. Believe me, I have had both very good and very bad experience with paint shops and colour matched spraycans in particular.



Alex

[Alex van de Wetering]

OK guys,

well, given the fact that you completely ignored my question, I have decided to have a go myself

Yesterday I bought two cans of "Mat 3" at the Keep Them Rolling swapmeet. It's a brownish tone and there is no mention of a manufacturer, brand etc. The most logical explanation I have found is that these paint mixes have actually come from the French Army, which might explain why they are labeled as "mat 3" and not "matt 3"??? So, I guess they would look the part on your Hotchkiss......that is if you can find one that isn't painted in 101 AB 506th PIR registration!

Anyway, I was surprised to see some more manufacturers have stepped up to offer premixed military paints....but most of them are all shades of Olive Drab and non of them are focussed on Commonwealth colours...It's funny to see the OD paints are labeled as RAL 6014.....yes, a German colour system for a US WW2 colour!

I will post a picture of the MAT 3 brown next to a SCC2 sample mixed according to Mike Starmers instructions. Of course the colours will look different on your screen, but at least you should be able to see if the colours are a close match or not.
From what I have seen now SCC is a little more of a "Rich brown" compared to the mat 3. There might just be a little more red in the original SCC2 colour(?). I think I am going to use the Mat 3 during the restoration of my Chev. After cleaning parts and a coat of primer, I will give it a quick coat of Mat 3, assemble everything and when the whole truck is done I will it a full overspay in the correct SCC2 mixed paint.


Alex

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

well, given the fact that you completely ignored my question, I have decided to have a go myself

Yesterday I bought two cans of "Mat 3" at the Keep Them Rolling swapmeet. It's a brownish tone and there is no mention of a manufacturer, brand etc. The most logical explanation I have found is that these paint mixes have actually come from the French Army, which might explain why they are labeled as "mat 3" and not "matt 3"???

Hi Alex,

I wasn´t ignoring it, but giving it some thought

When I read “logical” and “French Army” in one sentence, I thought there must be another explanation. My page on the Bundeswehr VW 181 Fleckenplan reminded me of the camouflage colour Lederbraun or leather brown with colour code RAL 8027 / FSC 30051. I have seen it on VW 181’s and is dark brown colour similar to SCC2. In German “matt” is “mat”. I believe this is a NATO colour, if so it is could (remember – there is no logic in this context ) be the same as the brown found on French vehicles etc.

I have a part in original SCC2 Brown; I’ll come by your place sometime soon to compare it to the paint you bought.

Groet,
Hanno

[Alex van de Wetering]

I have a part in original SCC2 Brown; I’ll come by your place sometime soon to compare it to the paint you bought.

Hanno, your are more than welcome

I have also got an ammo box in SCC2 in the garage and some remains of SCC2 on my Chev. You asked me recently about the proper colour for my C8 and I said I had decided to paint it in SCC2. I didn't tell you though, that my Chev shows traces of both Khaki Green No3 and SCC2 in the interior and another greenish colour on the windscreen frame.
It would be interesting to compare the different parts and colours, along with the Mat3 paint and the samples made according to Mike Starmers instructions.


Alex

[Lionelgee]

Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering

At every militaria fair I come across premixed MV paints in both spraycans and tins. They all seem to come from the same source and are only marked "Mix1", "Mat1" etc. I don't know who actually makes them, but I know for a fact that Jeep Mons in Belgium sells them. I used Mix1 for my parabike because I had a few cans in the garage and because Normandy was coming up quickly. I was actually very happy with the colour in the end, although I have to admit that I used an extra coat of matt varnish, which is actually somewhere in between matt and satin.
Anyway, apart from the Olive Drab-ish paint, there also is a tan and one or more tones of brown. Does anyone know if any of these paints come close to SCC 2? and what about Khaki green 3? anyone used these paints on a British or Canadian MV?
The reason I ask is because you can obtain these paints quite easily and they are reasonably priced.
Don't get me wrong, I want the " right" colour for my C8, but it just makes it a lot easier if you don't have to go to the paint shop over and over again until they got the correct satin-matt finish, the right colour or if you didn't order the correct amount. Believe me, I have had both very good and very bad experience with paint shops and colour matched spraycans in particular.



Alex

G'day Alex and Hanno plus others who contribute to this thread. I would like to ask a question concerning paint. On the identification plate of my Chevrolet Holden assembled truck it notes the colour as Khaki. Apparently from information off this and other threads on MLU there are differnt forms of Khaki. Does any one have the mixing instructions - proportions of colours which I could take into a panel beater or paint supply and ask them to mix up the right colour for me. Also could any one let me know what type of Khaki my truck was painted? I know the painting stage is a way off at the moment however this would be good information to have now. A photo of my truck is attached - well hopefully

Kind Regards
Lionel

[cliff]

It was Australian Service Green - pre 1942. I have the mixing instructions here to mix the colour using Humbrol model paints which you could then use as a sample for a paint shop to mix you some. I'll email it to you when I find it. It is on a thread here somewhere but where is the problem.

You have to start remembering your truck is an Australian one and not British or Canadian so it was painted differently.

[Bob McNeill]

is this the colour you,r after ??

[Tony Smith]

I LOVE that tin of yours Bob, 'cos it shows exactly the correct colour and settles arguments once and for all about the precise wartime shade.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

I LOVE that tin of yours Bob, 'cos it shows exactly the correct colour and settles arguments once and for all about the precise wartime shade.

That is the post 1942 colour but Lionel has the choice of it or the bronze coloured paint of pre 1942 as his truck is a 1940 model.

Below are two 1/35 scale models I made and painted using the paint formula worked out by Mike Cecil at the AWM. The Chev fuel tanker is painted PRE-1942 Service Green the CMP Ambulance is painted POST-1942 Service Green which is the colour your cans of paint are.