MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Carrier Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-01-22, 19:18
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,534
Default Rubber Rests. Wooden Rests. Mk1 and Mk1*

We need a place to store details about the various rests and how they are fitted.
Firstly, the rests were steel backed rubber and came in 2 heights.(high and low, or tall and short?) Later they were made of wood (which rubber ones apply to which carriers and when did the wooden ones come into vogue?)
The next issue is, are the steel angle irons they are fitted to, are they on the inside or the outside? It appears the Mortar carriers had the side mounted ones on the outside while the U.C. had them on the inside. (and the U.C. rear ones are on the outside) This would require two different angle irons for the long side one because it is a different length from the mount hole to the end (at each end)
Following on from this, I have picked up on a detail from facebook that the mounting screws are fitted from the bottom up. This I agree with, with regards the ones over the division plate (because my angle iron is countersunk from the bottom))
The evidence that I have for the rest of them, is that a round head machine screw and flat washer are fitted from the top down, with a spring washer and nut on the underside.
Are the side and rear angle irons bolted to the hull plates? (or are they riveted?) I assume they were bolted?
If we can get some solid info added here it will help those following on.
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-01-22, 06:13
Michael R. Michael R. is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,154
Default

Good thought Lynn.

If I may quote a portion of your post and explain an observation:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynn Eades View Post
We need a place to store details about the various rests and how they are fitted.

It appears the Mortar carriers had the side mounted ones on the outside . . .

while the U.C. had them on the inside. (and the U.C. rear ones are on the outside)
If we can get some solid info added here it will help those following on.
Ford Canada, located in Windsor, Ontario, produced a 3” mortar carrier as a specific model. The model number C21UCM used the hull of the standard universal carrier MK-I*. No firing rests were installed. Any holes punched in the protection plates used for the installation of firing rests were filled by the riveting method. The engine cover firing rest of the standard U.C. MK-I* was not installed on the C21UCM.

Kits were also provided to convert existing C01UC MK-I* carriers to 3” mortar. Photographs of such converted carriers may cause discussion as some of the eight (8) original firing rests could have been retained or modified. An example could be the gunner loophole rest, which was produced in early and late heights of rubber material only.

The C21UCM 3” mortar carrier was eventually identified as a model UC2 on the data plate, particularly in contract CDLV 1555. (roughly October 1942 through July, 1943).

Are we limiting the discussion to rubber/wood as found on factory production MK-I/MK-I* models? IE not the update program to MK-II standard where firing rests were replaced with rolled steel.

If members want to discuss the updated MK-I/MK-I* to MK-II, C21UCG, C31UCW, T16 and Windsor could that be a separate thread?

.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-01-22, 09:20
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,400
Default

I would keep the discussion about the firing rests in one thread. If needed, I can always split up in separate threads later.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-01-22, 11:58
Petr Brezina Petr Brezina is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Czech Republic
Posts: 533
Default

If I may - I was always thinking that mortar and AOP carriers were not using firing rests at all, no matter of the Mark.
Obviously not true - please see attached picture of british made Mk.1 3inch mortar. I believe this is the variant Lynn is talking about - firing rests mounted outside. However what I still think is that Mk.II variants of mortar carriers and Mk.III AOP carriers have no firing rests - rolled steel (I mean british made at least but possibly also *).
Attached Thumbnails
Mk1mortar.jpg  
__________________
UCw Mk.III
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 24-01-22, 08:59
Rob Beale Rob Beale is offline
C8AX Ambulance (NZ), UC1*
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Gisborne, New Zealand
Posts: 387
Default 3" Mortar Carrier

I bekieve this pic is of the prototype for the 3" Mortar Carrier Mk I.
It is a converted Universal Mark 1 with many UC parts still fitted such as the firing rests.
The T number may confirm this.
Rob
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale: .303 Wooden Ammo Box B. Harris For Sale Or Wanted 0 28-01-16 23:45
British Wooden Ammo Box - P.72.I Tim Bell The Gun Park 1 19-12-15 17:10
Wooden ammo box cletrac (RIP) WW2 Military History & Equipment 5 08-06-11 16:08
Mk1 rifle rests RichardT10829 The Carrier Forum 15 31-03-11 08:55
I.D. this wooden box cmp_uc_guy The Softskin Forum 10 30-09-05 17:35


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 00:24.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016