Is this making anyone else nervous?

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Maybe it's nothing but with talk like this we may not have much of a future keeping our MV's running. Already there's talk of severely limiting non-ethanol gas here in Canada as early as next year. And while banning the sale of 'ICE' cars may mean the sale of any new ones, it will most certainly limit or make very expensive gas to feed our old friends. 2040 seems a long way away but....

h t t p s://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/automakers-countries-cities-agree-to-ban-ice-vehicles-by-2040/ar-AAQAIPv?ocid=msedgntp

Automakers, Countries, Cities Agree To Ban ICE Vehicles By 2040
Andrei Nedelea 1 day ago

Big names are missing from the list of carmakers and nations that made the commitment; the US and China have not agreed to this.
While many European nations had previously decided to ban the sale of internal combustion-engined vehicles by 2030 or 2035 in most cases, now some 30 countries, as well as automakers, agreed to stop permitting the sale of ICE vehicles after the year 2040. The agreement was reached during the United Nations’ COP26 conference on climate change, that is taking place in Glasgow, Scotland, but many important names did not take the pledge.

Right now the automakers that have agreed to the pledge are Ford, General Motors, Jaguar Land Rover, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, China’s BYD and India’s Tata Motors. Some of these manufacturers have already made their own pledges to not have ICE in their range even sooner - the year 2030 in Volvo’s case, while Mercedes’ parent company Daimler has said it will have a CO2-free fleet of vehicles by 2039.

The United States, Germany or China did not take the pledge, while on the automakers’ side, names such as Volkswagen, Stellantis, Toyota. In Germany’s case, officials said that they did not adhere because there was still no internal consensus on the matter, and that the country’s position would be clarified at a later date.

The countries that have so far agreed to the 2040 ICE ban pledge are: Austria, Azerbaijan, Cambodia, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Finland, Ghana, Kenya, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay, Poland, Rwanda, Slovenia, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uruguay.

[rob love]

As to no more sales of new gas or diesel powered vehicles, I guess it is going to depend on the levels of technology that gets achieved by then. I have to say that 6 or 8 years ago, when Canada started banning most incandescent bulbs and were making us go to LED, I hated it, and stocked up somewhat on incandescent bulbs. Now I have actively sought to remove the incandescent and florescent lights from my house and workshop as they are inefficient and I get much stronger light from the LEDs, and don't burn my arm when using them in trouble lights. And they light up at -30, which the fluorescent lights don't do very well.



They have a long way to go on the electric vehicles before they will have an acceptable range here in the rural prairies. On top of longer distances to the next town, we have to use a portion of the energy towards heating the vehicle in the winter.



As to our vehicles, yes, it is going to get tough to operate them. They may well all be sitting in museums or as monuments by some point. But it won't be at the stroke of midnight on the first day of 2040. There will still be plenty of people driving their carbon sucking cars and trucks for a few years after that point. Who knows, maybe we will be installing electric conversion kits into our CMPs. Just the savings from the no longer leaking oil out of the chevs would likely save the planet.



As to the ethanol, there is no benefit to using the stuff now, in the past, nor in the future. It is renewable, but if we are going to wean off of petroleum, then there is still plenty of that to go around for a long long time yet. Then again, we could be brewing ethanol after 2040 to keep our vehicles going.

[Mike Kelly]

There are political limitations to the uptake of EV's

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ts-2021-07-19/

[maple_leaf_eh]

I heard that too.

Being told I have to change and being offered a suitable alternative are two different things.

[Lynn Eades]

Yes Bruce, I worry about it, but I take solace from the assumption that I will have turned into a frog, and croaked by then. (or can't climb into a vehicle)
Its all a knee jerk reaction involving a new religion. There are 200 active volcanos around the planet. The current Icelandic one spewed out more in 4 days than mankind is responsible for, since the industial revolution. Mount Pinatubo in Indonesia (or the Philipines?) erupted for a year (1991) and threw up far more than mankind is responsible for since we first descended from the trees.
Check out Bjorn Lomborg. He runs big international think tanks. Climate change doesn't make it into his list of the first 30 world problems.
A far bigger problem is pollution (plastic) (this is where oil companies will live as we need less fuel)
In my experience Governments hardly ever get anything right. This is about taxing middle class people to hell while the few get even richer. (higher power, gas, heating, and transport costs)
The freedom that our grandfathers fought and died for is being lost to the socialist (read "communist") states, that we live in.
My govmint bought an E.V. for use in a remote environment. They also bought a diesel generator to charge it!. This is an example of what govmints do.
Note: my post does mention "tanks", so it's o.k.

[Harry Moon]

...or at least enough people to steer away from the rocks.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

There is this option. It may be the solution that finally gets Fords to start when you want them to.

h t t p s://news.yahoo.com/goal-convert-classical-cars-electric-141415215.html

CBS News Videos
The goal to convert classical cars into electric cars
Sat, November 13, 2021, 9:14 AM
While some drivers are ready to go electric, they still want to hang on to their classic cars. That's where one mechanic in London is ready to help and bring classical cars into the 21st century. Ian Lee has the story.

[maple_leaf_eh]

I had about 12 minutes of Youtube this morning of an Ariel Atom (?) doing the fastest lap of that day's cars at Nurburingen. An F1 car with no body and all horsepower.

It is hard to imagine a less necessary activity than driving a road course really really fast, except to remember that these tiny automotive shops come up with the most incredible engineering advances. Maybe someone will design a pair of fuel cells or batteries that will replace the side sponson fuel tanks on a Sherman and an engine powerful enough to get an M4 up and moving. Until that time, I respectfully want to preserve my historic military vehicles as well as possible as examples of, oh look at that trick.

[rob love]

The problem with putting electric motors to replace a Ford flathead is that the Ford's are so quiet with the flathead, you will certainly notice the loud noise of the electric motor. Not sure the electric motors will be as smooth either.



The CMP suspensions will certainly have no problem holding all the batteries necessary for electric.

[maple_leaf_eh]

We are all talking about starting, driving, stopping and otherwise demonstrating our vehicles. I mentioned fuel cells and new motors in a Sherman as a for instance. Rob mentions suspension capacity in a CMP for a battery pack.

We know that certain vehicles of the past have our attention, for storage or agility. Carriers, Jeeps, scout cars, Land Rovers, and 3/4-ton class movers have more curb appeal than a 5-ton with a huge cubic inch straight six. Those large more ponderous heavy hauling vehicles get less and less love even today because of the cost of ownership versus our enjoyment as hobbyists.

I suspect that gradually more of our HMVs, especially the thirstiest ones will simply get parked, stored and less and less well seen. As the new religion takes hold, those of us unable/unwilling to adapt will be singled out as nonconformists, or worse nonbelievers. Will we still be able to demonstrate our form of history in two decades?

[rob love]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

... especially the thirstiest ones will simply get parked, stored and less and less well seen. As the new religion takes hold, those of us unable/unwilling to adapt will be singled out as nonconformists, or worse nonbelievers.

They will simply attach the desire to use carbon fuel with the demise of humankind, and punish the non-conformity by rescinding our covid vaccine passports (which by then will have to be updated every 6 months to be valid).



There is a saying that change is constant, and to embrace it. Not for me thanks....

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

There is a saying that change is constant, and to embrace it. Not for me thanks....

To 'embrace change' (when the old way is perfectly good and more efficient) is to basically say that everyone that came before you was wrong and you're the first generation to finally get it right. Such arrogance.

Oh, and that covid passport? It should go away at the end of covid, right? I'll bet you a case of beer it will morph into something else and be with us forever. Once that baby gets on your cell phone with the GPS and mandatory digital currency it ain't coming off.

[rob love]

Are you telling me you have a cellphone Bruce?


I will admit I have one also. It is a flip phone with a broken outer screen and I will also admit I took a picture with it once, but I have no idea how I did it. I will also proudly admit I have no idea where the thing even is. I find it when I am doing a long haul such as poaching trips in to Ontario or trips to Alberta. But if the overseers were to track that phone (if that's even possible) they will quickly form the opinion that I am an invalid, as there is no movement.


I am starting to get left out f things however. I will have to print a paper copy of my covid passport, and A&W has quit sending printable coupons.....they are only downloadable onto your phone. I wrote them a stern email on that one let me tell you.



I turned 60 this year, and sometimes feel I am turning into grandpa Simpson.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

Are you telling me you have a cellphone Bruce?

So if it's confession time, I have two, but both under duress (#1 wife so she can track me, #2 work so work can track me. The wife one out-tracks and controls me better than any GPS microchip app Samsung or googles can think up). Even if I wanted the cell to control my life I'd have problems. The wife tells me I'm not on any internet plan so if I turned the internet portion of my phone on I would get a bill for $5000 a minute. It scares the crap out of me I might turn it on by accident and lose my house.

My work one pushes out friendly icons, things like a covid self assessment I have to share with gawd knows who every morning and a beeping warning if I've been within 5 metres of an active covid infected person. It creeps me out how it knows that other person has covid and my location to within 5 metres every moment of every day.

Honest question...when they ban paper money and the only way to pay for anything is by tapping some magic box with your phone, how exactly will we oldsters survive?

[Darrell Zinck]

Hi Rob

Just for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE

regards
Darrell

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

Honest question...when they ban paper money and the only way to pay for anything is by tapping some magic box with your phone, how exactly will we oldsters survive?

We will trade as much as possible.



I have always liked cash, and made some pretty major purchases with only bills. With Covid, my habits changed a bit and I got pretty used to the tap and go of the bank card. I recently decided to start going back to cash. Went to withdraw $400 for some pocket money, and the bank machine reported it was not able to complete the transaction. But my online banking showed they took the $400 out of my account.

I waited a day to see if it would fix itself. It didn't so I called the number on the machine....they told me to call my bank. Called my bank, only got an answering machine and no callback. So the next day I explained the story on my online banking. Got a message back they were going to investigate but let my bank know. Called my bank and got the same answering machine message from the day before...still not updated. So I drove the 30kms to my bank. They saw I opened an investigation, but they moved $400 into my account pending the outcome of the investigation. Then a week later I got $400 put into my account from some other source.So now I am up $400, but will give it a week before trying to call my bank again to get them to take their money back.



Their conspiracy to get me away from cash might just work yet.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

My wife makes most major purchases in cash (like our roof last summer for instance). It's not for any tangible reason other than to make the bank teller's heads explode. She enjoys that. Banks clearly are uncomfortable in chunks of cash much larger than a few hundred bucks.

Same wife got used to paying for gas at the pumps with a credit card. Easy peasy. Until the card bounced some other purchase for no apparent reason. Well there was a reason. Every time she bought gas it locked a hundred bucks on the card and kept it locked for a couple of days. Several back to back fill ups and the card was maxed out.

[rob love]

I think if you google fintrac you will better understand some of the reasons why the tellers are asking questions. I, too, like to give them very few answers. If I am buying another truck or another rifle, and need $9K, they always want to sell you a cashiers cheque. I tell them I am buying a vehicle (no matter what I am buying) and that I can negotiate with cash, but not with a cheque. Then they want to give me mostly cheque and some cash. I turn them down. Then they offer to go into one of the side rooms to count it out so nobody sees me with that amount of cash. I explain to them that if I were to lose $10K, it is not exactly life altering and counting it out at the tellers post is just fine.



If you dig into fintrac, you will see that they want tellers, real estate agents, casinos, and others who deal in cash to report any suspicious transactions. I have also dealt with the 20 question game when I have come back from some of the larger gunshows, and want my pockets back.

[Ed Storey]

I am over 60 and I don't have a cell phone and if I did, I would probably loose it. Back when I was still in the military I had to sign out a Blackberry even though I had no use for one. I took said Blackberry, box and all, back to my desk and locked it in the bottom drawer of the filing cabinet. A year later IT was on to me to either use the Blackberry or return it, so I returned it; still in the box. The kids working in IT were not impressed and I didn't care.

I still go to the bank in person and do everything with a teller. More than once the teller has mentioned that for my convenience I could use the automated teller or bank from home. I always respond that I am preserving their job by showing up in person.

[Bruce MacMillan]

Originally Posted by edstorey

I still go to the bank in person and do everything with a teller. .

I also preferred doing that but the bank kept reducing their open hours. They gave me a small security device to do online banking from home. When that device died it was replaced by an ap on my phone. Now I'm told that due to security software upgrade my phone no longer supported the ap and to continue I had to buy a new phone. Back to withdrawing cash until last month they closed my branch. Nearest one is a 45 minute bus ride away.

I now max out the daily cash withdraw to last a month. I prefer paying by cash as my spending habits can't be tracked. I'm not paranoid but annoyed that the info gathered is sold to marketing companies and I don't get a cut.

[Tim Bell]

When there's a power cut... what fuel for the backup generator?

[Lynn Eades]

Over here, we have about 6 banks. Nearly all of them are Australian owned (including the bank of New Zealand) I happen to bank with the ANZ. It is only open 3 days a week. Apparently the banks have to report every transaction involving more than (I think) $5,000. As a semi retired (ok, 68yo) I have spent a lot of time trying to educate myself on money and how it is created, the banks, and government and their roles in it. The system worldwide is corrupt. I have developed a dislike for both and have now become a bitcoiner. Rightly or wrongly this is where I now keep the bulk of my money ("bulk" makes it sound like a lot!) I still have my bank accounts for the normal day to day life stuff. Although Btc is risky, it has been running for 11 years without an issue. It is open 24/7. It is "A store of value"
It will become more mainstream as time goes by. There is a lot to learn and I can see it is particularly difficult for us older people. You would need a smart phone or computer to receive and send payments, so some of us would not cope. I too have a lot to learn on this. If you should venture into it, be careful.

If you have some time to waste, here is a podcast on youtube from your Jordan Peterson. It is educational on Bitcoin, your current currency (fiat money) and also climate change. There is 2 hours of it, so probably not many will go there. I dont know how to set up a link so you will have to copy and paste. The Immaculate Conception: Bitcoin vs Fiat Standard | Dr. Saifedean Ammous | The JBP Podcast S4: E58

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Darrell Zinck

Hi Rob

Just for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5v8D-alAKE

regards
Darrell

Ha ha Darrell. It took me a while to figure out what you were trying to say with this link. Is it that I am losing my marbles? If so, it would appear by others on this thread that I am not alone, and you too will be over 60 soon enough. Soon enough you will identify with Grampa Simpson and Mr Burns.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Tim Bell

When there's a power cut... what fuel for the backup generator?

Your windmill will provide it for you.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rob love

Your windmill will provide it for you.

Only if you take care of it.

[Darrell Zinck]

Hi Rob

Nothing nefarious or damning, honest.

My point by posting the link is to illustrate the backroom dealings in industry that have the deliberate intent of solely making money. Damn the consequences, fallout, or losses in other areas. Sometimes Politics enters that realm of decision too.

Your post that mentioned light bulbs caused a spark in my brain.

That is all.

regards
Darrell

[rob love]

Well that does make me nervous. When I originally hit your link I got a youtube video about some guy with a marble machine. Fascinating, but I did not get the connection. He did seem a little highstrung. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gPVvoIEw0w

[Michael R.]

“You pays your money, you takes your choice.”

Welcome to change, fellow dinosaurs.


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[Lynn Eades]

Bruce, I love your picture of the wilted bird killer. It represents to me a small win against a political religion versus real science. I'm not saying its not based on some immeasurable truth, just that I'm against the knee jerk over reaction. I see plastic pollution as a bigger problem. Being one of the previously mentioned dinosaurs may have a bearing on my world view?
That thing will have been buried somewhere (not recyclable) so it's out of sight and out of mind to the greens.
FYI If I have this right one quarter of human CO2 release is from cement production.
Rob, I was also somewhat fascinated by the marble machine. I noticed he lost a couple. Because mine are small (and fragile), I store them in a bag.
What was the topic???

[rob love]

Because mine are small (and fragile), I store them in a bag.

Lynn: Were not talking about testicles now, are we?

This thread has meandered more than most.