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Old 09-05-09, 18:59
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I am trying to properly identify this Ford flat v8. I pulled it from my T-16 which I know it is not the correct one. T-16 has GAU on the block. Th intake manifold and all the bits on top look like Bren Gun. But there is only one oil fitting on the top left of the bell housing.
The Block # is R381049P located on the top left rear of the block has a strange slanted font.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

This engine will also be for sale as soon as I get the proper GAU Ford Flat Head for my T-16.

Sean

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Old 09-05-09, 20:20
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Sean,
There should be some numbers/letters on the top edge of each of the heads; what are these? Also, it appears there is a number just above the Ford logo; what is it? You might also want to go to this site for further info. http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_home.htm

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Old 10-05-09, 12:48
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It is not a carrier motor. Somebody has done a "Jack up". The tap restricts the flow from the oil gallery. It goes through the cooler, and dumps back into the oil filler. The generator is a British Lucas item.
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Old 10-05-09, 14:11
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Thanks Lynn
Any idea what it may have been used for?
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Old 10-05-09, 15:01
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It looks very similar to the industrial V8s used for compressures etc. Apart from that? What are the other numbers?

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Old 11-05-09, 18:02
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Ok. I found some more #'s.
On the top of the Bell housing is " K1931"
On the Heads:
Right: C81T-6049
Left: C81T-6050

Top of Block left Hand Rear: R381049P in a Slanted Font

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Thanks for everyones help.

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Old 11-05-09, 19:25
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... I don't think we need two threads on the same topic, do we?
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Old 11-05-09, 20:13
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... I don't think we need two threads on the same topic, do we?
You are right; I merged the two threads.

Here's hoping we can identify this engine.

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Old 12-05-09, 02:19
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Sean,
The code C81T on the heads indicates that they were for a Ford truck made from 1938 to 1942.

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Old 12-05-09, 02:32
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Sean,
Oops! Forgot to add that the head numbered 6049 is the right head and 6050 is the left head.

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Old 12-05-09, 08:48
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Following the theme of this thread
Can anyone shed some light on this strange number combination
right head c81t-bh
left head c81t-6019
Number stamped on right rear valley 12 with underneath b5102
On bellhousing sunken cast number 232
I can not find any other numbers
Engine number dosent seem right for a cmp engine
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Old 12-05-09, 16:47
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Thanks
I spoke with a guy yesterday from an Antique Ford shop. He said that the "C" of C81T, indicates that it was made for the military. If that is correct, would that mean it could be for the Ford CMP? I am not familiar with those trucks at all so I am Guessing.

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Old 12-05-09, 18:01
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He said that the "C" of C81T, indicates that it was made for the military.
The "C" in the part no means it was made by Ford Canada. The C81T heads were used on Canadian 239ci engines from 1939 to 1945, military and civilian, in Ford Trucks and Mercury Cars and Trucks. Military applications included the range of Ford CMPs, Carriers fitted with the 95hp engine (eg Aust LP2), the Lynx A/Car and many others.
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Old 12-05-09, 23:38
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Thanks Tony for the information. That has cleared a few more things up. I posted this link earlier in the thread.
http://gallery.me.com/sderen#100051
I will be adding a few more detail pix soon.

Thanks Yall
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Do all Ford flat head V8 239 cu in engines have the removeable section of the bell housing at the bottom?

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Old 08-10-22, 19:38
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This type was from about 1946 onwards, easier to work on clutch. This type does not fit into Carriers as the bottom flange on the sump will hit the floor of the Carrier and will not let the engine settle in the proper position, so Carriers need the one piece sump, Cheers Andrew.
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Old 09-10-22, 20:22
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Al, the various sumps are interchangeable on the different engines, but not in a carrier A std. U.C. carrier should have the 11 inch clutch plate and the associated bus (heavy springs) 11 inch pressure plate, but because the two piece sump does not fit in the carrier (read Andrews post) you have to fit the clutch before the sump is fitted. There is also a one piece sump with a big removeable plate on the bottom. They dont fit either (I'm not 100% sure about this? Can someone confirm?) You need a std car sump for most carriers.
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Old 09-10-22, 21:09
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Thanks for that. I felt a bit foolish asking the question as I should have looked at the F60S but that is an hour away and I cannot get away at present.
The reason I asked was because we have a 3.6L engine in the F60S and want to fit the correct 3.9L one. Having just bought one in what so far looks reasonable condition (standard bores and only 7thou wear anyway) I was trying to date what I have. Stamped on the front of the block, on the mating face for the inlet manifold, is "11 54 220". I very much doubt it is the 220th engine built in November 1954 however.

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