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Old 25-08-19, 10:46
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Default Vickers Machine Gun Carrier Mk1 No1

Folks, Is this the earliest Carrier in existence?, precedes, Bren, Scout or Cavalry carrier. Featured in Nigel’s Vol 1 book


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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
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10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
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Old 26-08-19, 01:03
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Awesome project
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Old 26-08-19, 13:27
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excellent project and well worth the effort
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Old 26-08-19, 19:16
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Exciting find, is it yours?

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Hi Hanno, Yes it is, one of only 14 made according to the book, will look for some date stamps but built in 1936 - 1937 I think.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.

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Old 27-08-19, 05:52
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Where had that been hiding Kevin? I would have thought they were obsolete before WW2 even started!
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Old 27-08-19, 06:12
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Is it CMM 986?

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Old 27-08-19, 08:19
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Hi, It had been saved by a gentleman many years ago and now I have it I’m going to restore it, still has its engine, gearbox and radiator in. I’ll have a proper look at the CMM number to see exactly what it is, but I understand from reading Nigel’s book several of the 12 or 14 were modified for development purposes, this one appears to be still in its original configuration.

One interesting point is the front idler is mounted lower than the later carriers.

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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.

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Old 27-08-19, 09:57
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Great find Kevin!
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Old 27-08-19, 15:30
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Now thatís a project!
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Old 27-08-19, 22:45
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Hi Hanno, Yes it is, one of only 14 made according to the book, will look for some date stamps but built in 1936 - 1937 I think.
Hi Kevin, what an amazing survivor, a shedload of work but it will be worth it in the end!

You are to be commended for taking on this project

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Old 27-08-19, 23:21
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Hi Kevin, what an amazing survivor, a shedload of work but it will be worth it in the end!

You are to be commended for taking on this project

H.
Yes, It needs saving, nothing earlier than this one Iím aware of and itís what all other carriers are derived from.

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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
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10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
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1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Absolutely amazing ! It’s in good hands now too.
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Old 08-09-19, 11:55
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Default Incredible that it survived.

This adds to the development story, with the Scout and Bren survivors.

Please post detail pics when you can of the pedals if they are still there, and the rear of the hull with the towing eyes etc.

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Old 10-09-19, 20:01
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Hi Rob, unfortunately the foot pedal are no longer there, but a picture of the tow arrangement is attached.

This is CMM 985 which is T1829 which was the second carrier built by Vickers Armstrong under contract T2996 one of 14 made. I will contact Bovington to try and get more details and pictures if they have any of this carrier.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
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10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
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1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 12-09-19, 10:57
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The fuel tanks are almost Have size also, same turnbuckles with two straps.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.

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Yes Ron, Iíll mix it up thick 👍
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 29-09-19, 01:51
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Here is the instruction manual for the Vickers MG carrier, also covers Bren, Scout and Cavalry carrier, the forward section mentions the 14 made of mild steel. Also note each fuel tank is ten gallons capacity for all types the book covers, Calvary has additional tank.

Kindly supplied by Richard of the Vickers MG Collection.


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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 29-09-19, 14:54
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at least the tank fittings are still present. John Wiseman makes perfect repro caps, both vented and none vented variants.
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Old 30-09-19, 10:24
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at least the tank fittings are still present. John Wiseman makes perfect repro caps, both vented and none vented variants.
Hi, Yes Iíve seen Johns work itís outstanding, the fuel tanks still had the turn buckles there to. I think Iíve got a vented cap somewhere but will be wanting another one.

Anyone know who the go to guy is at Bovington Tank Museum for archive stuff and whether Vickers have a vehicle archive ?

Also the Dash looks different on the Vickers Carriers.

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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.

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Old 17-10-19, 19:28
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This is what the tank museum has to say :

The Contract Card is dated 8.4.1936 and gives the T numbers as T1828 to T1840 AND T19821. The last one was delivered separately 26/3/1937 (hence the different T number and the different registration number that you can see in some of the photos DMV 877). The reverse states that 7 were fitted with Zenith Carburettor Type 42 VE.I. and 7 with Solex Carburettor Type 30 ??? FF.I.. It doesnít say which ones are which thoughÖ A copy of the contract card is £5.

I have located a list of the drawing numbers used in the vehicles construction, but I donít think we have any of those drawings here. Tyne & Wear Archives might have some if they were given any documents from the old Vickers factory before it closed. Thatís where we got our drawings from, but as I said, I donít think we have any for the No.1 Mark 1 MGC.

You can see how they modified the top armour during development to form the shape of the sloped bren carrier.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 17-10-19, 19:30
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One further pic, will get hi resolution copies of these.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
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10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Here is the contract card.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
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10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 24-10-19, 00:39
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Removed the radiator today, it appears at some point a modified mk2 carrier radiator had been fitted, this suggests the carrier was used after 1942. The top mount bracket from the original radiator has been soldered to the mk2 radiator and the side stays removed to get it to fit. Will send it off for refurbishment this week.

Also to note the carburettor choke knob is located above the decision plate.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
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10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Also to note the carburettor choke knob is located above the decision plate.[/QUOTE]
Kevin, I believe all the pre Universal carriers had the choke control knob mounted at the division plate.
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Hi Lynn, Yes you can see it in this picture. They must of used a commercially available type from that time. I think the one I have can be restored, the focus is on retaining all the original parts.
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1943 Willys MB.
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