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Old 11-08-11, 22:14
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Default Brake rod rear rubber seals

Hi,
Can anyone provide details of CTL 3616 which is a sort of 'lipped boss' which goes through the rear hull plate were the brake rods pass through, I have the rubber seal (TL 3615) which clips over it. I also need details of CTL 3617 which goes on the other end of the rubber seal, there looks to be a spring (CTL 3618) which goes inside the rubber seal?.

Illustration 36 on page 189 of FUC-03 refers.

Any help in reproducing these items would be of great help.

thanks kevin.
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Old 12-08-11, 05:35
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Kevin, I can get measurements on 3617 and 3616 tomorrow.I think mine are in good enough shape to use as templates.I will get back to you if no one beats me to it.
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Old 12-08-11, 06:18
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Are these what you mean?
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Hard%20parts%20For%20hull%20seal%20leather%20or%20rubber.jpg   Hull seal Leather- rear hull plate to bell crank.jpg   mar 7 2010 025.jpg  
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Old 12-08-11, 10:11
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Hi Guys, Thanks for the replies.

Lynn, The two types of dust excluder you show, are they both TL 3615 ?.

If I could have measurements of those metal parts I can turn them up on the lathe, is there a taper on the bit that go's through the rear hull plate ?.

many thanks.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 12-08-11, 12:15
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first one;
1.750" od,(44.3mm) o.a. thickness 4.8mm. Hole dia. (Fits outside of clevis) 16.3mm. shoulder dia. 28.4mm. outer thickness 2.3mm.
second one; big dia. 43.3mm. bore 25.0mm. spigot dia.29mm. o.a. thickness 18mm.Spigot depth to flange 12.9mm. flange thickness 2.2mm. Small spigot is same i.d. and o.d. thickness is 2.9mm.
These are steel, I have some relic ones in ali.

The spring inside the leater one is possibly the same as a fuel pump spring
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Old 13-08-11, 10:07
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Lynn, Many thanks for taking the time out to measure those componets. I think I have found an exact match spring for inside the rubber boot.

I guess the brake/steer mechanism will work better with this arrangement installed.

I have just done a complete brake overhaul and one point to note is you will never get your brakes adjusted correctly if your long brake rods are not adjusted to the correct length. Dont take it for granted they are, I recommend firstly disconnecting the front outer pivot pins (as described in the manual). With the brake expanders fully retracted (adjusters also wound in to the required ft/lb) set up that rear pivot distance with the special pre made adjuster tool, then set up the front outer pivots with the other special pre made tool, altering the long brake rods length to achieve this. Then you are set to carry on adjusting as per the manual. Also note the left side rod which travels under the front gunners tool locker may also be the incorrect length (like mine was as when I first got my carrier, some one had chaged it for a much shorter one so correct adjustment was never achievable).

Also worth noting is get yourself a torque wrench so your adjusters can be set correct whilst carrying out brake adjustments, I believe these can be overtightend and you can 'pop the cap' on the adjusters and damage the sliding pins. I noticed on the tank hunter someone had fallen foul of this so had put split pins in all the caps including the expander to retain the caps.

Another note is to keep the expanders 'free floating', I have a limitless suppy of thackery washers if anyone needs some.

Hope this hepls somone out.

kevin.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 13-08-11, 10:44
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Happy to help. If the double wound spring washers are thackery washers, then I need some. Maybe you could send 8 of them to Ben for me?
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Old 13-08-11, 15:22
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lynn, When ben comes over i will let him have some for you. Already made the parts and am fitting them in the next 30 mins.

thanks kevin.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 18-08-11, 06:18
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Guys,are these thackeray washers 3/8 inch?
Dave
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Old 18-08-11, 16:41
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I need to go do some measuring.I think I found a supplier in the US.
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