10-cwt Brantford Coach Trailer eBay

chris vickery · #1 23-04-13, 03:34

Up for sale in upstate NY on eBay. 2 days left!!!Item# 281095252419
10Cwt Trailer by Brantford Coach and Body
Data plates intact, looks solid. Someone in eastern Ontario should snag it.
Not affiliated with the seller.

Bob Carriere · #2 23-04-13, 04:04

Hitch welded not original and 6 hours from Ottawa one way.

No bids yet !!

Looks familiar to something posted before ... which also had a ball hitch welded...... always concerned when so few pictures have been posted

Bob

chris vickery · #3 23-04-13, 04:23

Bob, how many 10cwt trailers have you found lately? I guess cheap is relative and something that Canadian collectors are notorious for being!

Consider a POS M101 is going for $750 to $1K, M100s are over $1K and WW2 trailers, especially Canadian Mfg ones are almost unobtainium.
Might be worth an email to the seller for some more "information" just in case it doesn't get bid.
I found it during an unlikely search by accident.

Hanno Spoelstra · #4 23-04-13, 20:11

Great find!

Here's the direct link to the "Brantford Coach & Body Ltd. 10 Cwt. trailer": http://r.ebay.com/mYAKlO

H.

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I have a Brantford Coach & Body Ltd. 10Cwt. trailer in restorable condition for sale.It is listed as all steel bolted body trailer code number 2-10-pcs (or pgs) -2. The piece has all the brake parts still attached to it but inoperable. The tub portion has small holes and dents and it appears to have been painted several times. The tail light buckets are there but also inoperable. In researching this piece I have discovered it quite rare and would make a good restoration project to accompany your Willys.

chris vickery · #5 24-04-13, 15:33

Update Urgent!!! 1 Day left...

I spoke with the owner of this trailer this morning. Usually I don't fall for pressure tactics but considering the rarity of this trailer i feel that someone should take action soon.

The guy bought it to make into an "expedition" trailer, discovered it has some history and thought he would offer it up to the collector community before hacking it up. At least he has some consideration for the historical aspects of such a find.
At any rate, he has indicated that if it doesn't generate any interest, that he plans on carrying out his original plans- modify forever and another piece of our history is gone.

Its a little far for me and my funds are a bit tight, otherwise I would jump on it in a second. Yes it needs work and the towing lunette is missing.

Hanno Spoelstra · #6 24-04-13, 16:50

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Originally Posted by chris vickery

The guy bought it to make into an "expedition" trailer, discovered it has some history and thought he would offer it up to the collector community before hacking it up. At least he has some consideration for the historical aspects of such a find.
At any rate, he has indicated that if it doesn't generate any interest, that he plans on carrying out his original plans- modify forever and another piece of our history is gone.

Chris,

Thanks for the update. Sound like an opportunity to offer the seller a trailer more suitable for conversion into an expedition trailer in return? Often bartering is more interesting for both parties than buying and selling.

Who has a spare trailer and is up for the challenge?!?

H.

Bob Carriere · #7 25-04-13, 02:39

.... so I have been in touch with seller also....

....for a trailer with no bids he is getting a lot of interest.... discussions are still on going.

Bob C

chris vickery · #8 25-04-13, 03:06

It is suprising actually.
I mentioned to the seller that if his auction failed to garner bids that maybe he lower his starting price and see where it goes.
Realistically, anything worthwhile should generate bids. Usually the market dictates what the right price is. Unfortunately, sometimes things go the other way on eBay and get ridiculous. Good for the seller, not for the bidders.
I can understand why Stateside this is of little to no interest as it it uniquely Canadian. If it were a Bantam or Willys trailer I am sure it would have apile of bids.
Conversely, it is also just that, a trailer. An accessory if you will. Can't drive it. Missing a few things that may be hard to find, but has many things it should have.
I guess time will tell where this goes....

Bob Carriere · #9 25-04-13, 03:16

He is located between HWY 81 amd 87 at least 5 + hours from Ottawa..... 12 hour day plus fuel....then HST at border and a few burgers.....all adds up to the cost.

I am pretty sure we can fabricate the missing lunette parts as we have the manuals and I believe there may be one to copy from in Oshawa.

Time will tell.

Bob

chris vickery · #10 25-04-13, 03:58

Fuel, time and burgers don't count. Its an adventure and adventures cost money. Or you can call it entertainment, leisure pursuit or pastime.
You might even find more treasures along the way or get side tracked into something else.
Just think of how proud you would feel saving another piece of our heritage!
Not affiliated with the seller BTW.

Brian Gough · #11 25-04-13, 20:53

So the auction has now closed and there was 1 bid. Is the successful bidder a member of the MLU Forum? Chris ? Bob? and yes, you are welcome to copy from the one in Oshawa.

Brian

chris vickery · #12 26-04-13, 01:12

Hi Brian

I was sure that you had one of these. It wasn't me, although I was awfully tempted. Been spending $$$ like a drunken sailor lately on MV and militaria so it was just to hard to justify. Trying to set aside funding for the new shop!
Anyhow, I know who bought it but he shall remain nameless on the Forum unless he decides to identify himself.

Bob Carriere · #13 26-04-13, 02:24

I discussed a lower bid with the seller if no one came to the plate with the $750........ seems some else did......good for him as it seems to be coming back to Canada.

Hey, you win some you loose some.

Bob

chris vickery · #14 26-04-13, 02:30

As did I, Bob.

Rillette · #15 26-04-13, 04:10

Hi Bob,

When I spoke with the seller, I didn't get the impression that there was much room for bargaining even if the auction closed without a bid. Maybe a little bit but not much. In any case since I wanted it, I figured that placing a bid was the best way to secure the deal and make sure that it wasn't going to get cut-up or turned into some kind of camping trailer. It should be coming to MTL in the not too distant future I hope.

I also wanted to thank Chris for posting the auction info!!!

Cheers,
François

Hanno Spoelstra · #16 26-04-13, 16:38

Guys, well done on saving this Canadian trailer

to the power of MLU!

Hanno

chris vickery · #17 26-04-13, 16:48

I am happy that it is coming home too. All too often stuff like this slips through the cracks and is gone forever. There is never a good time to lay out cash based on rescueing stuff, but unless it happens these things disapear. Kudos to Francois for stepping up on this.

Bob Carriere · #18 27-04-13, 04:54

Glad it came back to Canada....glad you got it.

Bob C.

Rillette · #19 27-04-13, 18:26

Thanks Bob,

The bottom line and what really matters is that it's been rescued and coming back to Canada. And if I do eventually pass it along, it will go to a good home where it'll be appreciated for what it is.

Cheers,
François

Rillette · #20 13-05-13, 19:36

The trailer is now safely back in Canada.
It requires quite a bit of work, but should make for an interesting project!

Cheers,
François

Bob Carriere · #21 14-05-13, 04:57

Hi Francois

Show us some pictures as you start working on it...... lots of pictures some of us can't read.

Bob C

Rillette · #22 20-05-13, 21:52

Hi Bob,

Will do. As much as I itch to start working on it, I probably won't have the time until later in the summer. I'll have quite a bit of research to do in the mean time.

Cheers,
François

Bob Carriere · #23 22-05-13, 03:37

.... must have been a bitch to unload.

Grant showed me the shop manual for your trailer......real nice.

The big challenge will be to either find the parts for the lunette or fabricate your own from steel plate,,,tubing and lots of welding and grinding......enough to be usable and safe and pass a 36 in. inspection.

Good luck, keep us posted and don't be afraid to ask for help.

Bob

Rillette · #24 22-05-13, 21:59

I was also a bit afraid of the unloading. We used long lenghts of 2 x 10 to slide it down, turn it around and gently flip it back upright. It actually went pretty smoothly, but you're right, it's sure heavier than it looks.

If you have a direct line to Grant, please let me know, because I've tried email through MLU and PM to contact him for the manuals but without success and I would really love to obtain them before doing anything. I think that they are manuals SB-8 and SB-8A.

For the lunette, I'm optimistic in life, so I'm not giving up hope of finding the missing bits! The support rails shouldn't be much of a problem to fabricate if I can find the correct profile of U channel. There's also the option of casting new parts if I can find originals to copy from.

Thanks for the offer of help, I will probably take you up on it as I'm sure I'll need quite a bit of support!

Cheers,
François

rob love · #25 22-05-13, 22:58

I think Colin McGregor-Stevens used to have a spare of that hitch.

r.morrison · #26 23-05-13, 03:29

Is this the photo you're looking for? Robert

Bob Carriere · #27 23-05-13, 04:05

.... and send it to Francois......collect !!!! or get the spare one to replicate.

Bingo Sir Robert

Bob

Rillette · #28 23-05-13, 04:10

Hi Rob, thank you very much! I will get in touch with him to find out.

Hi Robert, Yes! That's exactly what I'm looking for. What kind of trailer is this picture of? The body looks larger than that of the 10cwt.

Thanks again to both of you!

Cheers,
François

chris vickery · #29 23-05-13, 04:24

A one-off sand casting is not too hard to obtain. A local foundry may take an interest in such a replication.
My local car club had emblem plaques cast from aluminum back in the 60's and one of our members found an original and wanted to recreate these nostalgic items. They were about a pound of aluminum 4 x 6 x 1/2" thick and quite inticate. A local place made molds and cast us up about a dozen of these for $20 a piece. I am sure the mold for a lunette and the casting would be fairly reasonable. It would be the machining that might cost you as the casting would likely require turning to fit correctly into the bushing blocks.
The bushing blocks could be cast up easily as well.

rob love · #30 23-05-13, 04:58

I wouldn't bet on lunnette parts being cheap to cast. Just the liability alone should turn many foundries off to the project.