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Old 22-10-06, 12:16
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Most interesting this!!

It has "surfaced" a Biederman P1 Crane Tractor in Norway that I am on to make an article abouth.

And there is almost next to nothing to be found on this maker.
So I would love some photos on the Reo's, Federal's and Corbits in the same range! And if anyone have any on the Biederman, it for sure would make my day!
Anyone who can help out?

Also any Tech Orders or other literature on them are of great interest.
Since these trucks was issued by the US Army Air Corps there is no such things as TM's and/or SNL's for them. As Far as I have learned (from other forums), there is only made Tech Orders for them.
They are:
The REO/Biederman F-1 tractor was TO AN-19-25-53, the Federal C-2 Wrecker/Crane was TOs AN 19-20-9, AN 19-20-10, AN 19-20-16, AN-19-20-17

So if anyone have any of these, I would love to get my hands on any of them, and a good scan/copy would do just fine!

Here is a scan of the Biederman in Northern Norway.

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Old 22-10-06, 21:43
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Hello Rolf, that is a nice find as the Biederman is very rare!
Does this truck still exsist?
Who was the manafacturer of the crane?
I know of Thew, Lorain and Quickway but perhaps there were more.

I wil post a few pictures found on the internet.
First one is a Biederman.
Source: www.autogallery.org.ru

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Old 22-10-06, 21:51
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bertus

Thanks for the reply

Yes the Biederman still exsists and the photo was taken just a few montsh back.
It is in remarkable good condition and very compleete.
The new owners (fahter and son) as just started to dismantle it for a full rebuild, which will take a few Years. All the vehicles they have restored are done very professional!

The crane used on it is a Michigan TM-16.

The photo you show is one from one of the books of Bart Vanderveen.
There is very few photos of Biedermans at all. And they only made a total of 1500 vehicles during the war. Some 300 of them was P1 Crane Trucks.

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Old 22-10-06, 21:52
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Second one is a Brockway
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Old 22-10-06, 21:56
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And another Brockway.
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Old 22-10-06, 22:14
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Although not up to date there is a huge amount of information including pictures regarding Federal to be found on here
http://www.federalmotortrucks.com/im...index_pics.htm

With best regards,
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Old 29-12-06, 17:48
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... here's another Federal (?) Wrecker I spotted at John Belfield's Tank Museum in Melbourne in 2005.
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... yep, definitively a Federal :-)
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... and the back of the rusty beauty
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Old 29-12-06, 20:49
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Quote:
Originally posted by Burts.22
To start at the beginning, I was surrounded, in my youth
from the age of 10 by a huge arsenal of ex-US/Canadian
military vehicles that were used in a civilian construction
company in the Netherlands.

The construction company was called "Kuiper en Leeuwen-
kamp" and they had 2 offices, one was in Petten NH and
the other was in Monster ZH. The company was biased to
coastal work, called in dutch "Kust en Oeverwerken" and
most of their work was done on the salty shores of the
coast of Holland.
Hallo Bertus,

Een leuk artikel van je, betreffende het wagenpark van Kuiper en
Leeuwenkamp. Ik ben al jaren op zoek naar foto's van die door jou
ook genoemde Dukw's (inderdaad met die houten flonders).
Door ons werk op het strand van Schoorl (1970 - 2006) heb ik de
Dukw's vaak aan het werk gezien , maar gek genoeg nooit een
foto van gemaakt.
Mijn eerste vrachtauto op het strand was een International van
het type M5-H-6, bouwjaar 1943.
Het leek me leuk om op het MLU forum weer eens te schrijven in
het Nederlands. Wie weet tot ziens.

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Old 29-12-06, 22:22
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Hallo Bertus,

Een leuk artikel van je, betreffende het wagenpark van Kuiper en
Leeuwenkamp. Ik ben al jaren op zoek naar foto's van die door jou
ook genoemde Dukw's (inderdaad met die houten flonders).
Door ons werk op het strand van Schoorl (1970 - 2006) heb ik de
Dukw's vaak aan het werk gezien , maar gek genoeg nooit een
foto van gemaakt.
Mijn eerste vrachtauto op het strand was een International van
het type M5-H-6, bouwjaar 1943.
Het leek me leuk om op het MLU forum weer eens te schrijven in
het Nederlands. Wie weet tot ziens.
Mlu forum in het Nederlands, eens wat anders, maar zijner foto's van die DUKW's, ik heb er volgens mij 1 gehad, ex Koos van der Helm, door het zeewater compleet verrot,leek van de buitenkant redelijk, maar alle spanten waren tot op de dikke laag verf die er op zat helemaal weg. Ik zal eens proberen om een foto te scannen en op het forum te zetten.

Groeten Hendrik

PS next time in english, more people understand.
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Old 30-12-06, 22:24
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Mlu forum in het Nederlands, eens wat anders, maar zijner foto's van die DUKW's, ik heb er volgens mij 1 gehad, ex Koos van der Helm, door het zeewater compleet verrot,leek van de buitenkant redelijk, maar alle spanten waren tot op de dikke laag verf die er op zat helemaal weg. Ik zal eens proberen om een foto te scannen en op het forum te zetten.

Groeten Hendrik

PS next time in english, more people understand.
Herewith a picture of the ex Petten DUKW I had, sold it because I didn't had the time to restore it, the spare hull is upside down on it, but you still could move it on its own power.

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Old 31-12-06, 18:53
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Dirk and Hendrik, thank you for your replies and the pictures.
I have a huge amount of pictures spanning the period 1952-1980 but these need to be restored as they are discolored by time.
Most of the negatives are quit good, but have to find a way to get those in a digital format.
Comencing januari 2th Both of my eyes will be operated on and I will not be able to use the computer to half of february.

That means a lot of reading to do when my eyes are ok.

In the mean time I wish all users of this forum a happy 2007.

Best regards,
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Old 02-01-07, 09:20
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This thread has ended up with as many 606 pictures as 604 pics
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Old 28-01-07, 20:01
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Here's a pic of one languishing in the States.
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Old 28-01-07, 20:43
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And one for sale in the Netherlands:
http://koopjes.marktplaats.nl/auto_s.../73055532.html
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Old 20-02-07, 10:51
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And one for sale in the Netherlands:
http://koopjes.marktplaats.nl/auto_s.../73055532.html
Same Wrecker, now sold?!?
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Old 30-05-07, 23:09
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Time to take a look at the 604 again, you guys in canada will like this one of Canadian engineers loading timber piles for bridge building
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Old 30-05-07, 23:11
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And another from my good friend Laurie in Aus can any of you guys down there tell me the make of the crane, it is written on the front but is unreadable
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Old 30-05-07, 23:19
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Just found this image of a converted 604 to the recovery role in Belgium
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Old 19-06-07, 23:41
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Les,

Found this image of a Canadian 604 in Holland with a D7 on the back.

There are a couple of interesting details on trailer.

1. No toolbox on swan-neck

2. Folding "Bees Knees" ramps (as per your timber carrier and earlier Mack EXBX and White 920) as against standard triangular ramps.

Trying to find SM contract number since 604 / Trailmobile combination definitely used by RE as well as RCE in NW Europe 44-45!

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Old 19-06-07, 23:51
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Found this image of a Canadian 604 in Holland with a D7 on the back.


I am going to have to correct myself! Original caption states D7 but this mustbe a D6 looking at angledozer hydraulic ram / linkage layout!

Caterpillar experts, please confirm!

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Old 20-06-07, 01:09
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Interestingly I found what appears to be another 604 in the back of a yard here the other day. looks in reasonable nick considering that it has been out in the elements!
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"One of the more obscure wreckers—or vehicles of any sort—of WWII is the C2 Truck-Tractor. The Federal Model 606 truck was equipped with a Gar Wood US6T26 hoist, and was designed to be used in conjunction with a trailer for aircraft recovery and maintenance. Here one of the trucks is used to dismember a downed 8th Air Force B17 in England. National Archives"
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Old 25-06-07, 23:02
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image of a demmobed wrecker in france
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Its unusual to see a 604 loaded with tanks, in this case a Valentine
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Demobbed to the logging industry in Alaska
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Some great shots in a Photo album on Ebay at the moment. Will post some later on....

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-PHOTO-ALBUM...QQcmdZViewItem


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