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Another Umbau-wagen?
See the picture below for another curious German conversion of a car of unknown make to me. Not sure if this is a Umbau-Wagen conversion, or a one-off. It seems like they grafted a locker on the rear to come up with a makeshift Kfz.11 m.Pkw.(o) 4x2 (medium car) or Kfz. 15 Nachrichten Kw. (signals car). Typically, the rear locker was a feature of the Kfz. 15, but in that case it should have cable reel holders on the front mudguards as well.
Who can identify the make/type of car? (David, Bill?) Was it a captured Allied vehicle? Thanks, Hanno Note: the full picture can be found at Akira Takiguchi's Wehrmacht in World War II website. Caption: "This one is marked Betr.Tr.a.2 (Betriebstrupp a - telephone operations section). Three-color unidentified Armeekorps(?) marking is clearly seen." |
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looking from the back to the front and with the body lines through the doors it is, in my opinion, either a Dodge sedan or a Chevrolet of the late 1930's and more likely a Chev..
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Could be a Chevrolet, seized civilian European car..
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Cliff, David,
Thanks for the input. A Chevrolet it could be, in the thread Chevrolet staff car captured at Dunkirk we found the Germans used quite a lot of them. H. |
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1938..FORD!!!!
Now why did I not think of looking at a) the mouldings and b) this site!
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/m/fork3839.htm It's a 1938-9 Ford G81A!!! Sorry I was wrong yet again! See below for pix Last edited by David_Hayward (RIP); 21-11-04 at 12:19. |
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Re: "grafted locker"
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Was going to post this yesterday, but the forum didn't want to come out to play.....to slow...:. Anyways, the "locker" is actually a 'clip-on' kit that was produced enabling the ordinary medium passenger car to be converted to an 'ersatz' Funkkraftwagen (Kfz. 15). The trunk lid was removed and the transmitter receiver controls fitted behind the front seats, as can be seen in the picture attached. Cheers
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Chevrolet Kfz.15 Umbau-Wagen it is
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Thanks for that picture, but I don't think it is fitted with one of those 'clip-on' kits- it looks like a much more permanent conversion. Due to the fact that it belongs to a telephone operations section it must be a "Nachr. Kw. (Kfz. 15)" Nachrichtenkraftwagen or signal communications car, rather than a "Fu.kw. (Kfz.15)" Funkkraftwagen or radio car. I had another look at Bart Vanderveen's "The Wehrmacht's Umbau-Wagen" in Wheels & Tracks No.30, and surely enough the answer was there: Quote:
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Good Morning Hanno:
Now 00:12 hours here at home. This is a difficult one for sure but to give it a try, the door moulding pressings below the windows would lead me to believe it is a Ford as opposed to a Chev or a Chrysler product. It is an American derived vehicle in my opinion. For the moment I could not even hazard a guess as to the year or the exact model. What I also noted is what is obviously a civilian registration plate and it looks to me to be German but just now I do not have to hand my listing of German "provincial" registration number codes. I would also think it is a four door saloon/limousine, using European terms, as opposed to a two door vehicle which would not be very practical. I will try again tomorrow to see if I can research it further. Bill
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Here's the photos!
Koln-assembled...never seen one before! |
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Re: Another Umbau-wagen?
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See the attached, I can't say where I got it, but you'll recognise the writing and I was told not to tell everyone else. . . . as usual. : R. |
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