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Triumph Motorcycles
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Vehicle Nomenclature
Yes I should have been more specific, I was not thinking broad-brush but was more focused on the individual vehicle nomenclatures such as there is nothing listed as a Pattern 1956 Triumph Motorcycle.
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CFR Lists
While the DND vehicle lists are helpful in determining how many vehicles of a particular type were in use and their CFR range; I have encountered some errors with respect to the recorded vehicle type. Cross checking with the documents in my collection; I came up with a 1959 dated Data Summary which records the vehicle as a TRW, a 1956 Ordnance Parts Identification List for a TRW Mk2B and a 1955 User Handbook for a TRW. All three documents are Canadian although the User Handbook is a British publication. I think the answer might lie within the 1960 Ordnance Catalogue for Vehicles and Tracked Equipment which records the Canadian Army at the time using the Triumph Model TRW - 1950, Triumph Model TR5 - 1953 and the Triumph TRW Mk2B - 1956-1957. All of these Motorcycles were classed part of the Standard Commercial Pattern.
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Interesting...I have a TRW that has a very early 1950 frame but the motor serial is from the mid/late 50s. I think my frame number is somewhere around the 14th or 17th TRW made. I assumed it was a replacement frame from the UK or elswhere, but your information, Ed, makes me wonder.
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While I don't have any sort of complete data about the TRW 500s delivered to Canada and used by the Canadian Army and RCAF, I DO know that they were used at several bases across Canada by both the Army (MP, Provost, Signal Corps) and the RCAF. The C.A.R. numbers for which I have found photos are all stenciled in white paint on both sides of the fuel tanks, and the ones I have been able to find have all been 56-XXXXX through 57-XXXXX. There is some, but not lots, of information in the "Only TRW" Facebook Group, some manuals and other data on the "Triumph Pre-Unit" Facebook Group, and at various British bike websites.
Here's the best information about the serial numbers. These are based on the engine numbers, but all TRWs left the factory with matching engine and frame numbers. Obviously, if an engine failure occured, a different engine would be fitted: Mine is #26232NA (1957). It is a matching numbers TRW 500, (apparently) built on the 25th of September 1956. According to Triumph records, TRW 26232NA was dispatched to the Canadian Army on the 19th of January 1957 with gearbox number 85822, which also matches the number on my bike. TRW Military 500cc Side-Valve Twins YEAR (batch production total) Engine Numbers 1950 (58) / 14401N-14459N 1951 (unable to calculate. #s do not make sense) / 6044NA - 14320NA 1952 (837) 22001NA - 22838NA 1953 (434) 22839NA - 23273NA 1954 (48) 23274NA - 23322NA 1955 (274) 23323NA - 23597NA 1956 (1879) 23598NA - 25447NA 1957 (1679) 25448NA - 27127MA 1958 (47) 27128NA - 27175NA 1959 (170) 27176NA - 27346NA 1960 (298) 27347NA - 27645NA 1961 (539) 27646NA - 28185NA 1962 (278) 28186NA - 28464NA 1963 (641) 28465NA - 28827NA 1964 (777) 28828NA - 29605NA Total: 7959 (Unable to calculate the numbers for 1951). The current data published in a couple of places states that a total of 15939 TRW 500s were built between 1950 and 1964. That would mean that the production run for 1951 would have to be 7980, which is pretty unlikely because Triumph just did not have the production capacity to produce that many in one year in 1951. I'll post tis in the Post War Motorcycle THread as well. I hope that helps. Rev high, Alex |
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Hi Ed! Got another request from a gentleman on FB for a trailer he recently purchased.
M101 CDN 2, Serial 1909. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Josh Mordarski Iltis CFR 86778 Iltis CFR 87240 M101 CDN2 Ser 0294 M101 CDN2 CFR 17031 M101 CDN2 CFR 17032 LSVW CFR 99324 LSVW CFR ????? DEW CDN1 Ser 2910-1190 |
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M101cdn2
Serial 1909 was CFR 15064 manufactured in September 1994. It was disposed of from ASU/CFB Montreal in April 2007.
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1985 Iltis
I have a 1985 Bombardier Iltis. Wondering if anyone has info on units it may have been with or where it went.
Identification number is BI-01-04-85-87012 Thanks |
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Iltis 87012
Your Iltis 87012 was disposed of out of 25 CF Depot, Montreal in Sept 2005 and you are lucky as you have a vehicle with some overseas service as it had been used in both Haiti and Yugoslavia. I suspect your Iltis was being used with SFOR in Bosnia prior to being returned to Montreal.
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87012: Yes Ed, a very well travelled Iltis. Looks like you can add Germany to it's list as well. Here in Canada, Borden as well as a few different attachments to some of the French units. The record even has it as being attached to ATCO, which would have been after they assumed a lot of the equipment maintenance in Bosnia in 1999.
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Thank you for the information guys. I had managed to find out that my Iltis was in Bosnia as I found this picture of it there posted on another forum. Interesting to see how much it actually traveled.
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Iltis 87012
You are fortunate to have a photograph of your Iltis on overseas service, any chance of getting a photograph of your Iltis as it is now taken at the same angle?
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CFR Lookup?
Hi Ed,
I have an Iltis CFR 86238. Do you have any info on it? Thanks! Bruce |
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Iltis 86238
Disposed of out of Edmonton in May 2006.
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Hi Ed! Happy New Year! I've just acquired an M101 CDN2 trailer with serial 0294. Can you tell me what CFR it had, and where is was surplused out from? Thanks!
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M101 cdn 2
Unfortunately 0294 is one of the gaps in my M101 CDN2 database and a trailer that I could not trace.
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I'll have to spend another $5 and get another FOIA request done.
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Josh Mordarski Iltis CFR 86778 Iltis CFR 87240 M101 CDN2 Ser 0294 M101 CDN2 CFR 17031 M101 CDN2 CFR 17032 LSVW CFR 99324 LSVW CFR ????? DEW CDN1 Ser 2910-1190 |
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Let me know if you have any luck with your FOIA as your trailer appears to not have a record attached to it.
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Looking for CFR for an iltis trailer
I recently bought an iltis trailer and was looking to get some history on it.
M101 CDN 2 Ser # 0656 MFR # 36221 Looks like it was at one point painted white then repainted. It’s in pretty good shape, considering the beating some of them took. Any info would be great! Thanks Dave |
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M151A2 History
I recently acquired an M151A2 and am interested in getting some history on what unit(s) it served in and where. No tac markings that are visible (it was repainted when welded back together) that could help tell the story. All I have is the serial on the data plate.
AM General 74-95012292 Engine looks to be original to the vehicle and is manufactured by Ford Canada (BTW, were the Ford engines in M151A2 CDN painted white? Mine is and just wondering if this is correct to the 74 pattern jeeps. |
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I never saw a Cdn made engine. There were grey painted engines, which were rebuilt. Never saw one in white. Original engines were semigloss black.
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Hi, Ed
Thank you for the info on the Iltis trailer, small world. 1H was my Regiment! Regards Dave |
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Scott, I was up at Brian Asbury’s today and we looked at an original AM General data plate from a Canadian contract M151A2 which was a proper 5-digit serial stamped on the data plate. There is a corresponding Ziebart plate with a 74-9XXXX number that was written on the back, so our assumption is on my jeep is that whoever restored it put on a replacement data plate and used the CFR number as part of a “self-created” VIN in order to register it with the Ministry of Transportation in Alberta or BC.
Is it possible for you to use what I am assuming to be the vehicle CFR (74-95012) to check the database to find the 5-digit serial? |
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