CFR Request Thread

[Dan Martel]

Ed, thanks for the numbers. They correlate with the numbers given by Maloney in his book 'War Without Battles.'

I have some documents which provide the numbers of the M113 family sent to Germany. Most are planning documents which were anticipating the space required to accommodate all the new vehicles.

CBUE S5025-8 (EME) Accommodation Planning 7 Apr 64
2. Aim
The aim of this study is to produce recommendations respecting changes in accommodation for maintenance and repair of equipment within 4 CIBG/CBUE Garrison Stations necessitated by the introduction of M113A1 Carriers and A Tk Coy and bearing in mind that the Service Battalion will be formed.
Annex A (revised Jul 64) Basic Data and Information
1. Quantity of Vehicles
No distinction is drawn between the M113A1 and the M577A1 for maintenance purposes except insofar as size may affect accommodation. Basic information on the vehicles is as follows:
a. No of Vehicles
(1) Bde HQ 2
(2) Recce Sqn 6
(3) Fd Regt 11
(4) Fd Sqn 7
(5) Inf Bn (each) 68
(6) A Tk Coy 27
(7) Maintenance Pool 35
Total 292

Then came word of an additional purchase.

Commander’s Garrison Orders Group Minutes 13 Nov 64
3. Organization and Equipment
c. APCs. An additional buy of 500 APCs has been made. NO delivery dates are available.

Your numbers show 482 vehicles were acquired over 1965-66. Rounded up that's 500 vehicles. With the additional purchase, now 396 instead of 292 vehicles were going to Germany. (Unfortunately, charts can't be inserted into messages here, so you have to relate the number to the heading on your own.)

4 CIBG: 6001-Carriers M113 (G) APC Distribution 3 Dec 64
1. Reference is made to Minutes of Commander’s Garrison Orders Group, 4 CIBG: S1300-151/4 (G) dated 13 Nov 64, paragraph 3c.
2. Information has been received on the proposed distribution of APCs after receipt of vehicles off the second contract. New deliveries will amount to 104 bringing the total number of APCs in 4 CIBG to 396. Delivery dates for the additional carriers have not been advised but it is expected that they will arrive during the Fall of 1965.
3. Following is the proposed allocation to units based on information available now:
Unit APC Comd Cargo Total Remarks
Bde HQ - 2 - 2
Recce Sqn 6 - - 6
Armd Regt 3 2 12 17
Fd Regt 15 6 24 45 incl 2 CM radar
Fd Sqn 13 - 5 18
Inf Bns (x3) 237 9 12 258 (86 each bn)
A Tk Coy 15 - - 15
Sub Total 289 19 53 361
Reserve 27 3 5 35
Total 316 22 58 396

I have a document from 1975 which provided the number of vehicles in Germany and the total holdings in the CF. The first number after the type is the number then in Germany. The second is the total of CF holdings.

3136-1 (DLP) Proposed New WE 4 CMBG 22 Dec 75
Annex C
11. M113 (All) 308 827
12. M548 56 81
13. M577 23 51

Finally, the numbers provided by Maloney on page 192 of his book.

The M-113 family of vehicles acquired over the 1965-1968 period included the M-577 command post and the M-548 tracked cargo carrier. Three hundred and sixteen (316) of the 961 M-113 family ordered by Canada went to 4 CIBG.

That's all I got.

Dan.

[Tony Stea]

Hey guys can anyone help? I have a 1985 Iltis Bombardier serial #
B101088587362. Is it possible to find the history of this vehicle??

[Jacques Cote]

Hi, I just bought M100 trailer with this CFR number on tongue: 53-71178. Any info on data bas?

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Tony Stea

Hey guys can anyone help? I have a 1985 Iltis Bombardier serial #
B101088587362. Is it possible to find the history of this vehicle??

Iltis 87362 was sold out of Petawawa in November 2001.

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Jacques Cote

Hi, I just bought M100 trailer with this CFR number on tongue: 53-71178. Any info on data bas?

M100CDN 71178 was sold out of Toronto in June 1995.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

M100CDN 71178 was sold out of Toronto in June 1995.

I believe it spent much of it's life with the Toronto Scottish Regiment.

[Josh Mordarski]

Hey! I'm picking a part up from a gentleman who has Iltis CFR 86226. Any info available would be greatly appreciated 😊

[Ed Storey]

Iltis 86226 was sold out of Kingston in September 2005.

[Josh Mordarski]

Awesome, thanks Ed! I'll pass that along to the gentleman I was chatting with 😊

[302Trooper]

Guys,

Looking for info on a trailer CFR 53-70932.

Thanks
Dave

[Ed Storey]

Your M100CDN 53-70932 was disposed of out of CFB Petawawa in June 1994.

[Frank v R]

Hi Ed,do you have anything on following Lynx 66-35711, thanks,

[302Trooper]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Your M100CDN 53-70932 was disposed of out of CFB Petawawa in June 1994.

Ed, I guess there is no unit info?

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by Frank v R

Hi Ed,do you have anything on following Lynx 66-35711, thanks,

The Lynx was introduced in 1967, CFR 66-35711 was a M113A2CDN fitted with TOW.

[Ed Storey]

Originally Posted by 302Trooper

Ed, I guess there is no unit info?

I don't have unit information.

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Hi Ed and others,

I know you have stated that you don't have the info about any Canadian military motorcycles. But there are several post-war Triumph TRWs, CanAms, Armstrongs and Kawasakis kicking around with CAR and CFR numbers.

My question is: Does anyone have any leads or data on the CAR/CFR numbers for these bikes?

My 57 TRW has the original white-painted stencil numbers on the tank "57-93992", and I have also seen many other ex-Cdn military bikes with their original 'numbers' still visible.

Any leads would be appreciated.

Rev high!
Alex

[Ed Storey]

Alex;

There is limited CFR data for only six Triumphs (they are listed as Model year 1956), but there is information for some of the later models of motorcycles used by DND such as the Armstrong, Can Am, Kawasaki and Mathias Trapp to name a few.

The Triumph had its own Ordnance Parts Catalogue as well as a Data Summary and User Handbook, so there is still some surviving vehicle related documentation.

ED

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Alex;

There is limited CFR data for only six Triumphs (they are listed as Model year 1956), but there is information for some of the later models of motorcycles used by DND such as the Armstrong, Can Am, Kawasaki and Mathias Trapp to name a few.

The Triumph had its own Ordnance Parts Catalogue as well as a Data Summary and User Handbook, so there is still some surviving vehicle related documentation.

ED

Thanks a bunch! I just started a Canadian military bike thread in the 'Post War' section. Where can folks access that info of which you speak, Kemosabe?

Rev high!
Alex

[Frank v R]

Hi Ed , do you have anything on the following serial #'s ;

CR2-2

CR2-109 (66-35811 ?) stencil and plate still on vehicle

CR2-112 67-35921

CR2-91

regards Frank

[Colin Alford]

Frank,

I have the data for the Lynx', I will send an email shortly.

CFR 35811 belongs to CR2-2 and I believe it should have a 67 prefix.

Colin

[Ed Storey]

Yes, the Lynx C&R fleet did have a 67 prefix

CR2-2 35811 disposed of from Borden in Dec 1993
CR2-91 35900 from Valcartier in Jan 2002
CR2-109 35918 from Edmonton in Dec 1993
CR2-112 35921 from Borden in Feb 1993

[charlie fitton]

[QUOTE=Ed Storey; There is limited CFR data for only six Triumphs (they are listed as Model year 1956)

Is this info easily shared? Would it include the serial no? I too have a TRW and am trying to identify it..

[Ed Storey]

Sure, let me know what the serial number for your motorcycle is is and I will tell you if it is in my database.

[charlie fitton]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Sure, let me know what the serial number for your motorcycle is is and I will tell you if it is in my database.

These bikes seem to be registered by their engine no.

Might have the letters TRW before the number.

25740


thx

[Ed Storey]

No, sorry that one is not one of the six I have.

[Alex Sandor Csank]

Hi Ed,

My TRW is 'TRW 26232NA' (Matching Frame and Engine) and C.A.R. Number is '57-93992'. It was in the Montreal area after purchase from surplus sales (probably in the 70s) for many years.

Thanks for sharing your research with everyone!

[charlie fitton]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

No, sorry that one is not one of the six I have.

Thx

Any numbers even close?

[rob love]

If you go back in this thread to page 6, the 6 trws that showed on the EDR viewer are listed there: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=170


Or to save you from getting lost, I'll cut and paste the info here:

CFR List

As of 09-NOV-10

Formation : -

Unit : -

Disposal Status : ALL

Year Number HUIC Holding Unit ERN ERN Description
1956 93492 0145 CFB LAHR 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93873 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93874 0122 CFB CHILLIWACK 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93906 0145 CFB LAHR 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93908 0114 CFB/ASU Kingston 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2
1957 93912 0114 CFB/ASU Kingston 30901 MOTORCYCLES ALL TRIUMPH B2

[charlie fitton]

Thanks Rob, I was hoping to find a correlation between cfr and ser no.... a hint of a pattern, anyway.

Does make one wonder how many of these were actually ordered. When I first started going to the supply depot in London (1973 or so) , there were 99 (I counted) still in the crates ...

[David Dunlop]

Back in the late 1960’s, when the main entrance to Kapyong Barracks in Winnipeg was on Kenaston Blvd, just off the corner of Grant Avenue, there used to be 2 of these Triumphs parked on a regular basis beside the long red brick MP Building on the right side of the entrance heading into the complex.

I seem to recall another as part of the FHG Museum collection at MacGregor Armoury more recently. Not sure if it is still there, or if it came out of Winnipeg held equipment originally.

David