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Old 26-08-14, 20:12
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Default 1947 First CMP arriving to Argentina

In 1946, an Institute called IAPI Instituto Argentino de Promocion del Intercambio , purchased military equipment and machinery in Europe in exchange for raw materials, grains and meat produced in Argentina .
Here photographs when they arrived CMP trucks and other vehicles.





















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Old 26-08-14, 20:44
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Old 26-08-14, 21:31
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Default Your post helps explain the why and when

Hi Mariano

Thanks for posting the information and photos, I have wonder about the CMPs that turned up in Argentina. Your post explains the why and when.

Great Photos

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Old 26-08-14, 23:55
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Default Thanks for the wondeful picture .....

Hi Mariano

Wonderful information for reference when we work on our trucks.

Is there a web site for the National Archives of Argentina that you can share with us that will give us a direct access to the CMP pictures.

Thanks for your help.

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Old 27-08-14, 00:15
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Phill, Bob.
I'm glad you like the pictures!

All this material was purchased new pay per kilogram of scrap and delivering seed wheat and beef. Europe needed food and had plenty of war material.

Our Archivo General de la Nacion is in the process of digitalizing much photographic material, but does not have a web site to search and download.

I personally get this material, looking for it in this archive, when I have more interesting stuff I share with you !
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Old 27-08-14, 01:11
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What about the trailers behind CMP?



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Old 27-08-14, 02:01
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for some great CMP pics I have never seen before. Surely there must be another stash of CMP mirrors over there in some old warehouse. I think some of us of took advantage of a mirror sale out of your country years ago, now giving my CMPs the right look. Good stuff, and much appreciated. Cheers Rob Fast
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Old 27-08-14, 03:40
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Thank you too Rob!

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Old 27-08-14, 05:22
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Your Hi Res pictures are now stored in my reference file for future use.

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Old 27-08-14, 05:31
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Default Trailers behind CMP trucks.....

Just went throguh my AEDB photo record and could not find a suitable picture to match those trailers.

There is a better picture of the empty trailer in the 3rd or 4th picture of a poster that Mariano provided.

Some of the tires visible could be for C8 but from the size of the empty brake drums I think they are a load of knock down trailers on trailers....could they be of USA origine.....all CMP trailers of this type I have record of have single tires.

Now there must be stories of these trucks being overstocked and buried somewhere in Argentina.

Bob C

PS...Had a look again....... trailers have exact same bed reversed and exactly 8 tires for that knock down trailer.......

PSS.... and they sent nothing but the best to Argentina.....Chevrolet trucks!!!!!
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Old 27-08-14, 13:03
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What about letter S paint between the two door hinges



Maybe be by Supressed ?
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Old 27-08-14, 16:58
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Suppressed ......with extra ground straps and possibly condensers and a small box that enclosed the ignition coil mounted on the nose section under the windshield.....

The engine cover seen in a couple of pictures seem to show a rounded cover on the top of the engine cover..... which may be associated with installation of a snorkel for beach landing....... they all seem to be late war production with the round instrument panel.

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Old 28-08-14, 10:59
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They are all round roof hatch as well which explains why there is so few of them around.
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Old 28-08-14, 13:03
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Hola Mariano...........

Mil Gracias!

An excellent selection of photos I am sure most of us have never seen before.

I also did some research on Argentina's soft skins and I will post a good reference site below.

I especially liked the two photos of advertising materiels showing the variety of goods and vehicles that were included in the program. Very valuable reference information.

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Old 28-08-14, 14:13
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Hola Mariano...........

Mil Gracias!

http://www.militariarg.com/vehicles.html
Gaston? See http://www.foro.aacvm.com.ar/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=6526
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Old 28-08-14, 21:20
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Hola Mariano:

I see by your postings on AACVM that you prefer to not be contacted by MP (PM in English) so I will add a few comments about myself here.

As most MLU members know, I have been doing research, as an amateur, on the subject of wheeled military vehicles (soft skins) of more or less the period 1935-1945 since the mid 1950's.

For more or less the last ten years, I have concentrated more on civilian or modified civilian cars and trucks rather than just pure military vehicles, from all countries.

For the last two years, I have been concentrating on another field of research, the sale, manufacture or assembly of North American vehicles outside of the US in the period 1930-1950. These vehicles could be civilian or military and of course CMP vehicles fit into this category.

I lived in Lima, Peru for two years, 1976-1978 so I have some knowledge of US vehicles in South America and also learned the Spanish language although I have gotten quite rusty at speaking it over the years. Also lived in Sweden 1974-1976 and Canada 1978-1980.

Regarding Argentina, I spent about a month earlier this year concentrating on that country and have about 30 bookmarks of historical websites dealing with both civilian and military vehicles in your country. For some reason, most of my photo database consists of photos of busses, I guess because there are so many "bus fan" websites.

I have just visited again the AACVM and Militariarg websites which I have not done for a while and I will remember to stay up with those sites.

Thank you again for your contribution here on MLU and other sites.

Saludos
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Old 28-08-14, 21:53
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Bill
Confused when you quote militariarg with an Argentine friend who lives in USA.
Thanks for the report on his studies about vehicles.
Very interesting contributions and information that has MLU forum and that's why I like to share with us the info i can find.
If you know my language, I invite you to register on our forum, you may need to provide good info and remove rust language!

Attach pics about the trailers behind the cmp taken the last year.





















Same trailer?
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Old 28-08-14, 23:09
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Default Interesting trailer pictures.

Hi Mariano

Those trailers are massive ......... they were designed for very heavy loads....... massive springs and 8 wheels.......possibly with air actuated brakes..... I do not remember ever seeing such trailers used by the Canadian army during that time.

Can only speculate that they would be of US origin and rated at 10 to 20 tons.

One of the close up of the front tow bar shows a device for locking the front axle in a forward position only ....locking the front axle from turning. Possibly and aid for backing up????

Normally CMP trailers have a small manufacturer's tag rivetted to the frame near the front left side.

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Old 28-08-14, 23:45
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Bob
Many thanks for your quick reply!
The friend who took the pictures of the trailer, found in this trailer a trailer lights socket







Maybe US made trailer as you say?
Had seen before tow bar cast as owning this trailer?
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Old 29-08-14, 04:11
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Here is a picture of a similar trailer socket used on USA jeep trailers.... the same connector was used on CMP at the time.

I am convinced these heavy trailers were of USA origin.

I beleive both the trailer and the truck would have had the same connector and a four wire plug/cable stretched between the two.

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Old 29-08-14, 14:14
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Here is a picture of a similar trailer socket used on USA jeep trailers.... the same connector was used on CMP at the time.

I am convinced these heavy trailers were of USA origin.

I beleive both the trailer and the truck would have had the same connector and a four wire plug/cable stretched between the two.

Bob
Thanks you Bob!

CMP factory install these trailer socket?
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Old 29-08-14, 14:31
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One CMP I have did have a much smaller trailer lighting socket than the one above. The small socket had only 2 electrical contacts inside. This is reasonable if the return path is through the housing of the connector because CMP trailers usually did not use electric brakes. The only wiring would be for tail lights and brake light.
I believe I have a document showing the setup for CMP trailers but will not be able to look at it until tonight.
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Old 29-08-14, 14:47
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The small socket had only 2 electrical contacts inside.
Yes Grant!
Our LAAT have this small socket!
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Default Dual wheeled trailer.

I'm sure that one of these rather unique trailers can be seen on a youtube video being used by U.S. army personnel during road construction.
I don't know how to post links but the video link is given on the G503 'Other MV's US' forum under the 'Trucks 1/2 ton thru 2 ton' heading and titled 'We all need roads to drive on'. the trailer can be seen at about 10 minutes 30.

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Old 02-09-14, 01:44
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I'm sure that one of these rather unique trailers can be seen on a youtube video being used by U.S. army personnel during road construction.
I don't know how to post links but the video link is given on the G503 'Other MV's US' forum under the 'Trucks 1/2 ton thru 2 ton' heading and titled 'We all need roads to drive on'. the trailer can be seen at about 10 minutes 30.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGFVgs9C-xY

The link below shows a good shot of the trailer from youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGFV...tailpage#t=664

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Terrific CMP photos. Thanks for posting.

Does anyone know how sales of this surplus actually worked in Europe after the war? I assume War Assets in Canada did not open branch offices overseas, say at Deelen, Holland, for example.

Were the vehicles given to the Dutch Gov't for disposal? Did the Dutch act as trustees for disposal? Did Canada just walk away from all the equipment?

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More times you look at these pictures, the more details you find.
You can see 4 FAT-5 7B3 Body in the convoy. Each two observation hatches on its soft roof



At that time, we also received Willys CJ2A jeeps

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