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Panzerjager Bren
Does anyone have any pictures of the Panzerjager Bren. They were captured bren carriers that were used as tank hunters. They were armed with 3 88mm Raketenpanzerbuchse 43 or 54 rocket launchers mounted on the engine compartment. Also panzerfausts were carried for use by the crew.
does anyone have any pictures? I only have 2
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Hi Michael;
The Panzerjager Bren. Cheers
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Ask and ye shall receive, Michael... this place is like that...
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Can I have a free quad , limber and 25 pounder, and a nice wireless truck please.
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they deliver my Ram Skink...stop,no return!
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At least we're in the cue then:idea:
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Sorry, batteries not included........
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Bren Carriers?
Mark do we have any idea where these carriers came from. I know the 48th dumped thier carrier in the harbour with the engines running in 1940.
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Thanks Mark
Art: my guess they just used ones captured or abandoned in the field or maybe at Dunkirk or some other place similar, but they must have captured quite a few because they are many varities. And if everyone else is getting a vehicle, i'll put an order in for a couple shermans and carriers, make one of them a panzerjager bren ok?
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No, sorry, there is no reference given, they may have come from captured/abandoned stock in France and the Low Countries or they may have come from the Middle East/Med. theatre or captured from the Soviets (lend-lease). The Germans seem to have been masters at salvage, so they may have come from anywhere. Cheers
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INCOMING!
Better duck, Marko I can sense a frying pan headed your way!
As for me, a No 8 FGT would do nicely, please...
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Bren half track
If I may get back to the original subject--I took pictures at a militaria gettogether in Florida of a German half track which appear to have used the bogies and suspension of a bren carrier but the track and sprocket are different than mine and the bogies are solid discs not spoked--the owner told me it was made up in part from bits of carriers left at Dunkirk-it was very well restored as a cargo carrier -if anyone is interested I could try to scan and post these--Greg
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I think "suit keen DIYer" would be appropriate. R. |
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I'd love to see the pictures you took of this interesting beast and I wonder if the one you saw was a Ford- or Opel-based one. Thanks, Hanno |
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Mind you, an M3 in not much better condition is being made to run again in the UK. But I can't see why one would waste perfectly good running gear components on making a rusty piece of Swiss cheese mobile again : H. |
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This is from the source of the two pictures I posted of Panzerjager Bren: under Great Britain, it says: "In North Africa, a small number of British vehicles were captured from time to time. These were used by DAK (Deutsches Afrika Korps) until they were lost. Matilda tanks could only be lost through lack of maintenance because no British gun was capable of destroying them. On the Atlantic Wall in France and The Low Countries during 1942 and 1943, a small number of British armoured vehicles were converted to self-propelled guns. These vehicles came from the stockpiles remaining since Dunkirk in 1940. They were used only by local garrison units in the areas of these stockpile dumps. Again, after the Invasion in July 1944, a small number of British vehicles were used by the German units which captured them." it also goes on to say that: "The Germans utilized captured carriers for many purposes, as tractors and ammunition carriers. A small number were made into Panzerjagers" Notes regarding BEF vehicle losses in France 1940, from History of the Second World War, United Kingdom Military Series, The War in France and Flanders 1939-1940: "By the time fighting ended, most of the armoured fighting vehicles - tanks, armoured cars and carriers - and considerable quantities of transport, arms and equipment had been destroyed in action or damaged in conditions which made their repair impossible. But all artillery, vehicles, equipment and stores that reached the coast with the main British Expeditionary Force had to be destroyed or left behind and .....In subsequent evacuations from ports south of the Somme some stores and equipment were brought away, but much was left behind." it goes on to give the following figures: under 'Shipped to France (September 1939-May 1940)', it says: Vehicles 68,618 under 'Consumed and expended in action or destroyed or left behind', it says: Vehicles 63,879 It does not state however, how many of the 'Vehicles' were carriers, just the totals '68,618' and '63,879'. If I find anymore information regarding carriers 'salvaged' by the Germans from France 1940, I'll post it here. Cheers
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Half track
Hanno;--Re your post above,the vehicle in Florida was the same as shown in your post and closer scrutiny seems to indicate that it was completely German built and did not use carrier suspension--unfortunately the 2 photos I took were of the track arrangment only and I cannot recall the truck -Greg
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Apparently, the Panzerjager Bren was a creation of the 3rd PanzerGrenadier Division. They were formed in France in July 1943 (formerly the 3rd Motorized Infantry Division - destroyed in Russia in 1943 - reformed in France as the 3rd PanzerGrenadier Division). After formation they were sent to Italy and then Russia again, finally surrendering to the Americans in the Ruhr. I don't have any figure regarding the number of Panzerjager Bren that they actually held/operated, but they seem to be the only German formation who used them. Cheers
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Panzerjager Bren
Hi all
Although not directly related to the above vehicle but just for interest, here is an image of a German Air ID Chart relating to the identification of British Carriers. At least the German is common to this thread. Bob |
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Thanks everyone for the info, it will be a lot of help.
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