Ford Universal carrier pieces found today!

[derk derin]

Hi All,
I was at our favorite Army surplus yard today with Rob Love and Laun Brown walking through the yard looking for parts for Laun's jeep when I decided to dig through a pile of scrap metal to see what was there and found a track jack and a Walker jack for the carrier hiding under the junk on top.I also found 3 of the DND ARMY marked fire extinguishers,fire extinguisher bracket and 5 NOS track pins dated 1942 on the heads.I had made up a track jack from one of the old Ford car jacks but am glad to finally have an original one to add to my tool list.I looked in the carrier manual and see there were 6 track pins in the tool list so will have to look for one more next time!Amazing what is still out there.I am still picking woodticks off of me but is worth it.Enjoy the pictures,I always like to see pictures of other peoples finds.
Regards,Derk.

[kevin powles]

Gents, Great find, is that a walker 3.5 ton 925 ?, can you still read the name plate?.

regards kevin.

[rob love]

I was not so lucky. I think that when Derk sat in my truck, the horseshoes that are stuck up his ass mishaped my truck cushions.

The carrier jack should not have been where it was........that particular yard was filled in the 80s, so the stuff he was finding were either hiding in the back corners of some MT storeroom, or had been moved from another yard over to this one.

The shed where the pins were is another story. Lots of old surprises will be in there, and it is piled 6' high.

[Jordan Baker]

Very nice finds

[maple_leaf_eh]

Those little fire extinguishers are desireable amongst firefighting apparatus collectors too.

[B. Harris]

Indeed Nice finds however the jack is close but no cigar...

Compare the recent find and the ones in the attached pics. Notice the size of the "button" where it contacts the jacking post. The correct jack has a much larger button.

Hopefully this nugget will prevent people from starting... Jack Collections.

All this good info will be in my tool reference book...one of these days. And yes I am closer to completion....

Should anyone here have one of the correct jacks for sale or trade I am still looking and will pay or trade more than fair!!

Harris

[derk derin]

Thanks Bruce for the information.I am out by one number and one good thing is I don't have to try and unseize it now as it is solid with rust!I will keep an eye out now for a 925 Walker jack.Sorry,no rad socket yet but I will be out there again looking around.I figured out how to take close up pictures with my camera so took one of the track pin's head stamps,I also found a crank in the scrap pile,not sure what it's off of.Not sure if Canadian Tire was around in WWII but found a C broad arrow marked punch.

[rob love]

Derk: Craftsmen is the tool brand controlled by Sears, and according to Wikopedia has been making tools since about 1927. Not sure if they were making them in Canada, but US tooling certainly would have found it's way up here.

[kevin powles]

Who,s looking for a rad socket?, may have one for trade.

Kevin.

[B. Harris]

Kevin,

I am in search for a rad socket..Have been for some time now.

I will PM you...

With thanks,

Harris

[derk derin]

Kevin,
You would make Bruce a happy man,good luck Bruce!

Rob,
That's interesting about Craftsman.(I thought it was a Canadian tire brand!)

[rob love]

Canadian tire's house brand tools are Mastercraft.

[derk derin]

Found a few more items for my carrier in a shed Rob,Laun & I were in today.
The starting crank rod for my carrier.I had made one up but it always bugged me I didn't have an original one and now I do! I also found one more track pin to complete the 6 needed for my tool list.Another good find was the socket BB 17033 B that I needed for my carrier tool list.Thanks to Rob who identified it to me and made me realize I was still looking for that one.At the bottom of a pail was a brass cap for a flimsy and it just happens that I need one for a 2 gallon I have that was missing the cap!
I also found a jack that I believe is for the WWII jeep.Maybe a jeep purist can confirm this for me.I did an internet search and viewed the images and some show a rectangular base plate and some show the square base that I have.
Regards,Derk.

[Ron Pier]

Derk your Jeep jack looks right, although mine has a slightly different top? Your bras cap looks to be from a standard 2 gallon fuel/oil/water can. A Flimsy is a 4 gallon can (pre Jerry can). The cap would have a male thread. I've been looking for a Flimsy to add to my collection for over 25 years. Ron

[Ron Pier]

PS I had a feeling that the flimsy had a tear off cap (like a ring pull) This picture seems to confirm that at least some did. Ron

[derk derin]

Hi Ron,
I have a bad habbit of calling the 2 gallon fuel/oil/water can a flimsy even though it has been discussed on MLU the difference between the two.Thanks for the correction.
I assume that there was more than one company that built and supplied jacks for the jeeps during it's production.There seems to be a few different versions out there.I will assume mine is correct unless told different.Thanks for your help.
Regards,Derk.

[rob love]

Derk
Go search on the G503 site. There are some on that site who are very knowledgeable as to what variations of jack were provided during which months the Jeeps were issued.

I also picked up a few items with Derk yesterday, and will display them later today or tomorrow. I even got one that Ed (the fuel/water can collector) Storey might like.

[David Dunlop]

Nice finds, Derk. I didn't think there would be much of that stuff left these days. FYI, the carrier parts, along with a quantity of CMP parts and tools, came out of a Crown Assets sale in Lloydminster and were shipped out to our part of the world along with about 2 dozen Mk I carriers. You already know where a bunch of those carriers ended up! All happened in the late 1950's, if I remember Jim's story correctly.

David

[rob love]

Originally Posted by derk derin

Found a few more items for my carrier in a shed Rob,Laun & I were in today.
.Another good find was the socket BB 17033 B that I needed for my carrier tool list.Thanks to Rob who identified it to me and made me realize I was still looking for that one..

I had a look at the one I found on the same day and brought in the NSN tag from it. NSN for the wrench is 5120-21-109-0540. When I look up that part number in the old microfiche, it relates to Ford part number BB17033-C, so technically our wrenches were cataloged wrong. That said, without the Ford drawings, it is hard to know what the design change was from the B you have to the C the fiche lists.

Looking forward to more finds out there in the future. But we have to know the good times won't last forever.

[derk derin]

I was cleaning up the crank rod and found the part number.Sure is nice to have an original one!
Derk.

[charlie fitton]

That last pic does raise an interesting question...Is the grease gun a single or dual stage gun?

I ask only because a friend showed me a gun a while back that would do high volume at one part of the stroke, and high pressure with another..

[derk derin]

Rob & I were back at our favorite army surplus yard today and found more goodies.I have been on the hunt for tools to fill my Ford 3 Ton CMP and Carrier tool kit list. Thanks to Rob for finding me this Carrier Tow cable.Marked DC-1940 with the hook marked DC and on the other side X1142.I will need to find another hook at some point but is nice to have an original Tow cable finally.

[derk derin]

I also found 3 Ball peen hammers in nice shape.One is unmarked (will go with my Ford GPW jeep tools),another one is marked GRAY and has a part number on the bottom of the handle 212E (will go with my Carrier tools),and an ETF with CANADA formed in the head ( CMP tools).

[derk derin]

My Ford GPW tool kit also had additions to it today.As well as a Ball peen hammer,I found the proper SCHRAEDER TIRE GUAGE marked US PROPERTY, and an IRWIN-USofA screwdriver marked GOV.STOCK #41-S 1076.

[derk derin]

I have also found a few more DREADNAUGHT and ETF wrenches that I think may fill in some missing spots in my tool kit list.There were a couple of DREADNAUGHT crescent wrenches (an 8 inch for the CMP tool kit and a 10 inch which I thought I needed for the carrier but it lists a 12 inch crescent wrench so will have to go back one day and get the 12 inch Crescent wrench that I had in my hand but set down and picked up the 10 inch instead!) The DREADNAUGHT crescent wrenches also prove that GRAY are the one's that make the DREADNAUGHT brand of wrench. Another double end box wrench I found marked GRAY on one side and CANADA on the other side with a maple leaf stamped in it.

[derk derin]

Another trip to our favorite surplus yard today and I found some more items to fill my tool kit list.A BULLDOG shovel,rusty but I can take care of that! A few punches that fit the description in the tool kit list as 1/8'' x 1/2'' x 5'' long.One is A(crown)M 1941 and inscribed RCAF,one is ETF,one is Sheffield England and one is LAWSON & HEATON. The chisel also fits the tool kit description 3/4'' x 3/4'' x 6'' long. A few spare bulbs for my spare bulbs tin. A bundle of the wirecutter/machette lanyards that are listed in the parts manual as
*CO1Q 17056 and it just so happens that I need 3 for my wirecutters and a couple for my machettes. A nice fuel spout for my jeep tool kit. A 24'' bar for the nut spanners. Another WALKER 926 jack and a mess kit knife that was in with the issue spoons & forks.
On the way home I stopped at an antique store and found a 1944 dated jack No 18. I already had a No.16 jack that said MADE IN CANADA but no date.I also have a WALKER-266 jack rated for 6 tons but not sure that it is military or not. Can anyone confirm if it is military? And there were 2 engine crank handles there as well that I picked up just in case they were military.
And the search continues for the rest of the tools I am missing!
Regards,Derk

[derk derin]

Well I spent another few hours last week at my favourite surplus yard looking for that elusive carrier jack handle 17081 (both types!) and while going through barrels of old jacks I finally found a Walker 925 carrier hydraulic jack with the large head! The plate is missing off of the front and it’s missing some pieces but I have another jack I can use the parts to fix this one.
I have yet to find that damn jack handle though!
I did manage to find a couple of the bars for the cam adjusting blocks which I was missing from my tool list so happy to find those.
I also found some type of jack handle with a twist to it, painted green but no part number on it. Any ideas on what it’s from?
Also brought home a couple of bars that turned up some numbers, one being Budd 44201 and on the other side 41H 154110.
I found another carrier hook and 3 DND ARMY marked fire extinguishers.

[derk derin]

In researching the numbers on the BUDD bar it turns out to apply to all types of vehicles during the war years and post war. The number 44201 is the BUDD number and the 41H 154110 number is the US Army number.
Another rescued item is a Chrysler Airtemp 1944 stove. I have passed this stove up many times until the last trip when I noticed there was a tag on it from Regina service battalion to Winnipeg’s Kenaston barracks so being in Canadian service I then convinced myself I had to have it. Plus the roof on the building they were in is leaking on them and they were full of water so aren’t going to last much longer!

[derk derin]

I bought this tarp because of its markings and the fact that Rob figures it could be a tarp for the carriers. It has the post war Canadian acceptance stamp on it with FM Co. 1960.
I tried researching the NATO stock number but all I got for a description was tarpaulin. Can anyone confirm this tarp was for the carriers?
First guess when I saw FM Co. was Ford Motor Company but it probably stands for another company. Anybody have a guess as to what it stands for?
And a box of old hockey gloves? Don’t ask why I brought these home. I have no idea myself! Neat postage stamps on the box. Can you imagine mailing a box this size for $2.95!

[derk derin]

Let’s see, what else did I bring home?