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Ah domestic bliss... Since those that know me know
know I do speak my mind, so if master Geoff cant say it I will They can piss up a rope and I know how to use the rope when they are done..... Ah nuked means well done.... Ah set one steak set on the side for for Dave. The talking heads are now telling us that the bombs were all small in nature(under 10lbs) and that they were homemade... They seem stunned ( the news type) Duh its not rocket science and the average 15 year old with a quick trip to the libary can complete that, how stupid can one possibly appear on nation wide tv...... Patrick
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I'm glad to see all those who feel that my rant was warranted.
I'm never one to back down on my opinions, and everyone is welcome to them! If anyone ever wants to call me a racist for being proud to be from my WASP heritage, so be it, it happens all the time. I believe in equality for all, just as long as it doesn't impinge on me or the rights of my fellow Canadians. As to my American and British friends, all I can say is brothers forever. We all share a common heritage, even if you kicked the crap out of the redcoats in 1776, remember we got you back in 1812! Kidding aside, just like a big family at the BBQ, uncle Buck is drunk, so is uncle Joe, we fight, argue etc etc, but when push comes to shove, we come together and fight as one. As for ponysoldier, all I can say is that I'd probably be the biggest, baddest gun totin' American- Canadian if I lived in a place like you do; where you actually still have some rights... But alas, I must end today's sermon, head on down to the local Korean owned coffee shop, go get some gas (petrol) at the Esso owned by Lebanese Arabs, and stop by to pickup some goodies at the local corner store, owned by Pakistanis. At least I drive a Ford and will enjoy my steak and beer this evening...
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Oh yeah, and further to my last...
One of the fellow mluers posted about getting down and dirty with these characters. Seems to me that I saw a documentary on the British governments secret agenda in dealing with the IRA several years ago. While they never admitted to it, and were quite embarrased at the expose', it did indeed happen. The illustrious SAS was tasked with identifying subjects in N Ireland who were involved with, associated with, or actively participating in terrorist activities. No big deal, right? Well, the second part of the task was the carte blanche elimination of such identified persons through door to door assassination in the middle of the night by plainclothes operatives. Even the RUC didn't know what was going on, aside from the fact that known criminals were showing up dead on a weekly basis, and they had no suspects. Kinda works like that when you use commandos. Maybe this world is coming to that again, where vigilate justice is the answer... Food for thought.
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Criminals are criminals
and these people are making crime against humanity , in whatever form or colour that may be. That said countries like france , Germany, Luxembury, Austria, DEFINITELY the SWISS need to get off their fat asses and start fighting the problem. Along with may other countries. The more that get on board the less effect the terrorist will have and can have. I think any country doing business with the sponsoring or supporting countries is as guilty as the host country and should be cut off , period. There are very few countries that want to lose access to the US market and though it may hurt a US a bit , its time to flex that muscle if the "neutral" countries won't commit to fighting terrorism full throttle. Now this doesn't mean war but economic sanctions, holding persons of interest until they are cleared. Allow arrests under interpol or a similar agency.
As for colour versus culture, we will all be chinese in 100 years so get used to it. Seriously, it is a very sticky issue and I have a culture I would like to protect also. Maybe it means letting in a surge of immigrants and then closing borders for 10-20 years to allow the immigrants to adapt to our culture. And definitely not to support the esblishment of independant schools and training facilites that teach people how to live in the country they just came from. I know many many landed immigrants and they came here to be Canadian , not ex-pat whatever. They get quite pissed at the radical elements of their culture that want to assimilate us instead of adapt to their new country. Also they get mad at the Canadian government for sponsoring them in so many ways aside from money, which enables these groups to thrive. Canada and Canadians have to take a lot of responsibility for deaths around the world also. We have heavily supported the IRA and Alqaida , and other groups , monitarily. Do people think our money goes to food and not explosives? We have also been a nice safe refuge for many terrorists to hide for awhile when the heat gets too much. I also have to wonder about pouring even more money in to Africa. The Saudis have been pouring billions in to Alqaida and other places and though it bought them time, all of a sudden it isn't enough. Funny how that happens. Maybe we sould just let them solve there own problems and quit bloody meddling. It is one murky mess , the lot of it. Sean
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A few thoughts from the UK
Firstly I’d like to start by thanking forum members who have expressed concern and sympathy with regard to the current problems we face here in the UK.
I am very much an exponent of free speech as some of you who know me are well aware, one of reasons I restore vehicles is because to me they represent the triumph of democracy over oppressive thought and deed. I take comfort in the knowledge that some of you know a number of us Brits here on the forum personally and therefore know we in this country have our own way of dealing with such things. The mood here is very much business as usual, there are not armed gangs out roaming the streets or baying for detention camps to be set up. Do not take this to mean that we as a nation do not care or that it will be forgotten it will not. Britain is a very small island and in the 21C we are multi racial this is a fact whether we like it or not so we on the whole try to get on. There are extremists groups in any society and Germany during the 1930's and 40's should be a chilling reminder for any one about what happens when minority factions use racism to pervert justice. For us this situation is unfortunately not new, we have lived with the daily threat of terrorist bombing since the late 1960's ...........it really makes little difference what colour their skin is or who their professed God is, they still cause pain, suffering and disruption whoever they are. We have it seems collectively gained a form of settlement to the Irish issue..... we will sort this latest problem as well. But arming ourselves and going out in vigilante groups is not the way we do it... at least not here at the sharp end. Please don't take this as a criticism just a statement of fact Pete 
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 By the way ... my youngest daughters dad has a 4 story Victorian in San fran ... and always keeps/kept a loaded handgun on EVERY floor of it... ready Back soon ... K.
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I've not been around much recently so thought I'd just check in and let you know that I and all my family are safe and well. My cousin works very, very close to where one of the bombs went off and another cousin was not in London on that day. Luckily I don't live in London either but outside London.
I've read the previous posts and I can agree with a lot of what is being said here. I visited Canada last year, to stay with a cousin, and noticed the way that Canada had what seemed like separate districts for different types of people and how the districts differed depending on who lived there, how well looked after and clean etc. the areas seemed. I have to agree with others that I think this is not the way to go. True integration is the only way and that has to be accompanied by respect for the host country's ways be they religious, secular, or political. If you emigrate to a country then that is your adopted country and you should make an effort to integrate fully with the society in which you find yourselves. I heard about the bombs in London from a family member and then on the radio and tv. I was about to go out that day to meet a Canadian cousin over here for a visit. We had thought of going to London to take him to the London Eye but had decided against it. Lucky for us. Thoughts, prayers and condolences to all those who suffered during these atrocities and continue to suffer. On another subject, today, Sunday, is being celebrated as the end of WWII. My grateful thanks to all who fought to give me and my family the freedoms that we enjoy today. Perhaps I should have put that in another thread!
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Today I've been watching the commemorations for the end of WW2 (for non-Brits they rolled the European & Far Eastern commemorations into one). I'm pleased & proud to tell the world that the events of Thursday didn't stop the services, parades and stage shows from taking place - it made it plainly obvious to all that although London (and Britain) received a flesh wound on Thursday, the one that renders us Hor's De Combat is far far away.
Be proud ALL representatives of ALL the Allied nations - the free world lives.
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Good to hear from you and that you and your loved ones weren't hurt or worse by the London events ... I won't say I'm glad you weren't effected, because I know everyone there has been effected, not just those directly victims at the bomb sites. It's heartbreaking to know of the anxiety, pain and suffering people are going through because their own loved ones haven't been heard from, or about, yet. I've been keeping tabs on the BBC's online news and hope with all my heart that those responsible will be found and prevented from doing more of their dirtywork. No place is safe, no place. I'm deeply moved by the stoic getting on with things you Brits are doing, knowing the fear of the unpredictability as being especially heightened right now. We ALL need to keep very objective eyes and ears open for truly suspicious activities and events and as citizens of any country, basically do that as part of our way of life now, because we're all "targets" and attacks are unpredictable. Regards your comment about "true integration the only way to go" - because its what actually WORKS ... I agree with you 100% ... I'm Canadian before I am anything else, as something that must be my priority, over and above my bloodlines and religeous or cultural beliefs. We all need to be true to one foundation of rules to live by that everything else is built upon, and within. Differences must be celebrated within the confines of our Canadian identity, with Canadian identity as our defining structure to live by. No special treatment for fragmented groups, be they sex, race, religeon, etc ... First and foremost, I am my country. I am CANADA. As you all are your country's citizenship (this is how my mind works about these things anyways ) My care about what's happening over there is not because I have "English Blood" in me ... my care is because I value life and humanity and there is no justification, EVER, for terrorism. I'm not against Muslims, or any races, or religeons, I'm against terrorism. Period. I'm against the behavior and acts of terrorism by bullies and don't care a damn what thinking or values are used to justify them, even though I know they fuel terrorist attitudes and acts ... All that is relevant is terrorism must be stopped in it's tracks. We can all help there by being objective and attentive, and by trying to be sure we aren't jumping at shadows when we point fingers, and must have courage to point when we see something signifigant. In a way, we must all be soldiers and do what must be done for the good of all, even if in the doing that puts us in harms way. (To target a terrorist is to become thei terrorists target) I know I'm babbling again : ... this stuff is part of our days now though. We're all targets. All we can do is practice objectivity and vigilance and catch the bad guys and stop them as we can?Karmen
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The grievous act on the peoples of London can only be truly felt by those that suffered physical and mental injuries also those that were close to and loved these unfortunate souls. The destruction of any human in the name of a creed or God I believe to be beyond rational reasoning. Yet to come to grips with human behavior must be truly looked at in the abstract of our universe. We must endeavor to exercise that cliché, attack the cause and not the effect. The world as we know it today is now in a colossal coalition of world religions which within their midst contain the powerful seeds of extremism. As we look at history we see from them come the powerful and deadly leaders enforced by the mesmerized majority. One has to look at these equations, millions of Hindu’s, Catholics, Muslim’s, Buddhist, Born Again Christians and others who through an unknown dimension follow willingly. I believe we are all products of an uncontrollable dimension called evolution. When one looks at the life of individuals on this universe and studies their physical structure from an individual following through the regress of their atoms, quantum physics, invisible electoral magnetic forces finally the behavior of universal gravitation. It must be obvious that we do not have the choice of our actions in this time and space. We must accept that evolution governs our behavior, which in turn is dictated by super powerful dimensions, which I feel, include religion. It leaves us with that maddening query. How is anything? And why???
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That's the most logical approach isn't it? If we can see beneath and beyond the symptoms to change the courses at their roots, then we'll all be off in a new direction. Wouldn't THAT be something? ... I only wish ... Quote:
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I just read this little article and decided to post it in here. I figure we can only talk reason with those open to reason ... terrorists are NOT, and this is what makes them terrorize. They want to control through terror and don't care who or what they destroy, or steal from others, in order to fulfill their agendas. They won't "quit" ... they can only be stopped if possible. They need a good swift deadly hit with an effective frying pan.
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Outstanding simply outstanding,I believe that what
the PC are not thinking or saying is this is not about any injustice done to anyone,rather it is about an Empire. History shows us that this is not the first time this has happened. In the beginning of the 1800s arabs in north africa decided that tribute needed to be payed to them.They preyed on underarmed merchant ships of all flags.Well that ended quite quickly.Many arabs believe because they have a large stock of the worlds oil supply That they should have an empire to govern that. There is more oil in Canada than what they have now. As for us here in the US if we get the tree huggers to shut up,and tell those good ole boys down in Texas to start pumping oil we will be just fine. Patrick
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I've been re-reading this thread WRT to the common thoughts espoused therein.
It is somewhat evident that a common chord has been struck,in that we, collectively, seem to agree about the infenestration (or, more appropriately, infestation) of "other than WASPs" into our North American culture. When we, as Canadians, are cursed with a Liberal government whose only mandate is to gain, and keep power at all costs whatever the result, and who depend on the immigrant vote in order to stay in power, then we are doomed by a systemic process which will see unrestricted third-world immigration controlling our very way of life. It's already happening in large urban centres. Our own Prime Minister, Paul Martin, (pardon me while I gag)...actually sat down to a dinner with the Tamil Tigers and lauded their efforts. For the record, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam are one of the world's deadliest terrorist groups. They are highly advanced in their use of political and fundraising techniques (in order to advance their civil war in Sri Lanka). The Tigers are highly active in Canada.( See www.mackenzieinstitute@bellnet.ca). A previous Prime Minister stated that there were no terrorist cells in Canada. Recent reports from CSIS claim that there are over 50 terrorist "sleeper" cells. Who do you believe? It's probably about time that the ordinary Canadian become more aware of his surroundings and start to question the (lack of) leadership at the highest levels. If anyone reading this is offended, I make no apologies whatsoever. If you are offended, then maybe you need to give your head a shake. Moderator can edit/censor/amend as he sees fit. Somehow, I don't think he will. Well, good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow! Keep your helmet and flak jacket handy, you may need them as the CN Tower comes a-crashing down!
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i would love to know what your PMs plan is when you get hit by another country or group. in todays world the high moral ground only makes you more of a target. today you are one of three types of country, for western law and order, a country known as a giant safe house, or a enemy. people are slowly learning this.
about the indians, they have the right to bitch about the steaks. we have the right to bitch about acid thrown on there women, and the thousands killed along there borders for no reason.
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OK, Dave...I sorta agree with you about the high moral ground remark not being any kind of defense at all.
Y'all lost me with the second paragraph. Mebbe you should come on up here and see what's really happening in our urban centres...on the other hand, mebbe I should slide on down there and see what happening with the wetbacks and MexTex types. You've got your problems...we've got ours. 
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what i ment was that having a cook out is a small thing in this world, just like having a cold beer. we should all be able to enjoy that. but there are groups out there that are just a little bit more intolarant about such things. yes its allright to kill people in a sports field but not ok to listen to music, any music. thats what i think we are in the end fighting about. intolirance and stupity on a huge scale.
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It appears from the latest news that the bombers came from Yorkshire by train, three travelling down from Leeds and meeting a fourth in Kings Cross station. They then split off and became suicide bombers. They were caught on CCTV! So, they were British it seems and not only killed christians but muslims and a Nigerian lad.
The police have used amazing forensic techniques and have found bombers' personal effects.
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