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Old 13-02-10, 08:30
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I was browsing Google Life images of the western desert and got quite a variety of interesting shots of vehicles. Some of them I don't have any idea what they are.
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Old 13-02-10, 08:38
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There weren't any captions other than War in the Western Desert. I cropped out a lot of sky and sand then changed to greyscale and resized them for the forum.
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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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Old 13-02-10, 08:54
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The pictures with all the clutter are quite interesting. Those boats seem to be out of place in that landscape!
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1940 Cab 11 C15 with 2A1 & Motley mount & Lewis gun
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1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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Old 13-02-10, 09:33
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I was browsing Google Life images of the western desert and got quite a variety of interesting shots of vehicles. Some of them I don't have any idea what they are.
Some of these are good candidates for the in the background thread.

First pic is a C60L, third I can see a F15 fourth a cab 12 C60L as is the last one which looks to have flat tyres and been made into some sort of semi-permanent office.
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.. wonderful images, there are even more if you search for "Western Desert"

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Old 13-02-10, 10:14
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Wow! These are great & fairly unusual pics. Made my day!!!
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Second pic, with spare wheel, and no tyre, is a I/2 ton Dodge ambulance. the water cart is a MW bedford, as is the one beside it, facing the other way. It is followed by a heavy Humber. The tyres ,springs, gen. sets, body parts etc. tell stories. Lots of broken springs, tyres either shot up, or failing due to heat/or cracking. Lots of tread on most. Keith, I think that truck with the flat tyres, is shown again later, and is the blacksmiths wagon. The tyres are buried, rather than flat. Some days were worse than others, in the desert (the wind blew on some days)
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The only really notable point for me about the Dodge ambulance is that the Red Cross markings have been re-done much larger than 'factory' for air recognition.
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Great pics, thanks for sharing
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Old 13-02-10, 15:27
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Here's another round of pics.
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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
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Some more.
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1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
1943 Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor
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Old 13-02-10, 15:41
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What's the vehicle in this first pic?
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1940 Cab 11 F15A w/ Chev rear ends
1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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What's the vehicle in this first pic?
I'd guess a South African Marmon Herrington?

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Old 13-02-10, 15:58
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.. wonderful images, there are even more if you search for "Western Desert"
. . . or for Bob Landry.
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These pics come in two series; War in the Western Desert and Western Desert after Axis Retreat. Each series has over 200 pics and Google will only show 200. To access the others a person might have to search by year also. There aren't any captions to search for key words.
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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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Old 14-02-10, 12:20
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David,

The third pic in the last series you posted is interesting as it shows a F15 with canvas-covered square roof hatch, a typical North African theatre modification. But pictures of CMPs with this type of hatch are few and far between.

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It also appears to have recently rained. How common was that?
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Old 14-02-10, 20:47
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That canvas hatch is interesting. I guess you wouldn't have to worry about rain getting in in the desert!
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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
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Old 14-02-10, 20:49
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Mud? Very common in wintertime in Libya!!!
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One thing I notice on these images is the paint jobs on the vehicles. The majority of them are plain desert sand with the rest being caunter or MTP46 camo schemes.
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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
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There's something else I noticed. Several vehicles either have the sloping windshields painted or have canvas covers with vision holes and the side windows or vertical windshields don't have anything. This is obviously to try to avoid detection by airplanes. Here we have the real reason for the sloping ahead windshields on 13 cabs!
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1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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Old 15-02-10, 06:07
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From left to right:

Libya / Wadi Ku'uf
Egypt / Cairo (most probably)
Libya / Derna
Egypt / Great Sandsea (SDF or LRDG Truck)
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Old 15-02-10, 07:38
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The third pic in the last series you posted is interesting as it shows a F15 with canvas-covered square roof hatch, a typical North African theatre modification. But pictures of CMPs with this type of hatch are few and far between.
Also interesting, this is a 12 cab, but with 11 cab tow hooks, the same as mine. My truck also has 11 cab engine covers (a recent discovery!)
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Also interesting, this is a 12 cab, but with 11 cab tow hooks, the same as mine. My truck also has 11 cab engine covers (a recent discovery!)
I once bought a cab from a F60L cab 12, the chassis of which was being made into a forklift, and it had the early type towing eyes in the bumper mounts but had normal cab 12 engine covers.
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The chap standing on the bonnet of the CS8 Morris with field glases would likely be a Kiwi . The Kiwi fern leaf tac logo is seen on the near side guard. The same pic is in the Alexander Turnbull collection in NZ.

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Here's some more. It's interesting to note the commercial pickup box in the first pic.
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1941 Cab 12 F15A
1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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Old 17-02-10, 03:42
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Would that be an Indian pattern box in the first two pix?
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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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More to come.
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1942-44 Cab 13 F15A x 5
1942 cab 13 F15A with 2B1 box
1943 cab 13 F15A with 2H1 box
1943 Cab 13 C8A HUP
1944 Cab 13 C15A with 2C1 box
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Also see Western Desert After Axis Retreat - 1942 on FB; and also EGYPTE - DESERT OCCIDENTAL - 1942.

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A couple more from Life, may have been posted before:

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Place made North Africa: Western Desert
Date made 20 January 1943
Description Westward Ho 1 streams of Australian Army transport vehicles hurrying in the wake of Rommel's retreating army in the Western Desert."
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