MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Softskin Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-10-13, 20:03
Erik Jostad Erik Jostad is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Norway
Posts: 19
Default Armoured CMP, Israel 1948

Israelian Version?
Attached Images
 
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-10-13, 19:20
Eduard Sorokin Eduard Sorokin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Russia
Posts: 81
Default

Yes, this looks like Israeli stuff.

Here is similar "armoured truck":

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-JEWISH-...item58a57c1707

What is basic truck ? British origin ? Or CMP again ?
Attached Thumbnails
img0087A.jpg  

Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 12-10-13 at 20:29. Reason: attached picture for future reference
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-10-13, 21:20
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

My guess would be another cab 13, Chevrolet, as the grill section and engine cover seems to be unaltered. What about the truck behind it? Autocar U7144?

Alex
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-10-13, 02:41
Barry Churcher's Avatar
Barry Churcher Barry Churcher is online now
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Castleton Ont.
Posts: 998
Default

Last year, with the help of Dirk, I sold a 13 cab Chev to Israel to make one of these trucks. Apparently they had a good armoured body but not the rest of the truck.
Barry
__________________

Every twenty minute job is one broken bolt away from a three day ordeal.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-10-13, 04:02
Eduard Sorokin Eduard Sorokin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Russia
Posts: 81
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex van de Wetering View Post
What about the truck behind it ? Autocar U7144 ?
Alex
Looking on bent front bumper and specific front wheels, I feel sure, this is Autocar U8144T truck:

http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_pho...ocar_u8144.php
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-10-13, 19:43
serge serge is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Bures sur Yvette FRANCE (near Paris)
Posts: 187
Default An other armoured cmp saved

Hello

An other local armoured CMP has soon been saved. With the two holes at each end of the front bumper and the shape of the front axle the truck is either an C15 or an F15. I believe that the right name was "vehicle sandwitch" because a piece of wood was inserted between two metallic plates on each side. In the museum of DAMAS in SYRIA an armoured F60L or C60L was dispalyed some time ago.

Regards Serge
Attached Thumbnails
SANDWITCH TRUCK.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-10-13, 20:17
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,435
Default

Serge,

That's right, the reason these armored vehicles are referred to as "Sandwich" trucks is due to their type of armor. Shortages of proper military-grade metal armor neccesated the use of alternating layers of lower-grade metal/plywood armor. Sand, cement, rubber and even glass were also used. Many types of truck chassis were used, including 15-, 30-, and 60-cwt CMPs.

See the book Military Briefs 6: Israeli Improvised Armoured Vehicles & Jeeps: 1947-1949 for more detail.

Click image for larger version

Name:	Book_MouseHouseIDFac%20(5).jpg
Views:	23
Size:	105.0 KB
ID:	60982
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-10-13, 20:38
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,435
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Churcher View Post
Last year, with the help of Dirk, I sold a 13 cab Chev to Israel to make one of these trucks. Apparently they had a good armoured body but not the rest of the truck.
Barry,

I recall that - it was back in 2006, though

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-10-13, 20:40
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,435
Default

See Unknown armoured CMP truck for more information.

Hanno
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-10-13, 23:43
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,673
Default

Quote:
An other local armoured CMP has soon been saved. With the two holes at each end of the front bumper and the shape of the front axle the truck is either an C15 or an F15.
Nice! unlike the others, this one seems to be based on a cab11 or 12 CMP. Ford F15 would be my bet, based on the holes for the D-rings and bolts to secure the bumper.

Alex
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 18-06-23, 10:21
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,435
Default

Pair of C15 4x2 trucks being converted with “sandwich armour”

Photo via Vladislav Dormann. Moshe CT commented:
“Building armour on CMP trucks in Israel for war of independence 1948. Nickname "sandwich armed car" ,because the armour consistsed of 2 metal plates & a wooden plate in between . There were several types and sizes built as full armed cars & cab armour for flat bed trucks for supply convoys.
You can see the "sandwich" armour plates laid in front of the trucks.
The first one was called "butterfly armed car" because of the shape of the roof lids , when opened,as in the photo.”

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0758.jpeg
Views:	1
Size:	162.6 KB
ID:	134850
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 18-06-23, 13:06
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,435
Default

This one I have not seen before. Based on CMP 4x4 chassis, it looks like it was inspired by the Otter LRC

Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0775.jpeg
Views:	0
Size:	68.2 KB
ID:	134851
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Three Rivers Regiment - 12th Armoured, The Ontario -11th Armoured The Fort Garry 10th Pam Wilson WW2 Military History & Equipment 4 11-02-10 15:38
dutch ram tanks 1948 wim sikkelbein The Armour Forum 0 25-06-06 16:30
Armoured Squadron in Armoured Regiments Wolfkin The Armour Forum 8 08-08-05 14:08
1948 Jaffa Road, Jerusalem David_Hayward (RIP) The Softskin Forum 0 27-05-03 16:30
AEC armoured car luc désormeaux The Softskin Forum 4 05-05-03 19:50


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 15:07.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016