Chevrolet starter

[CWO (ret) Gilles Aubé]

Are Ford starter same as the one on Chevrolet 13?
Urgent
Gilles

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Gilles

They are totally different as far I know. I don't think they share any parts either.

Cheers Phil

[Lang]

Chevrolet and GMC are the same.

Chevrolet starters were compatible from many cars and trucks for many years the later ones are solenoid/key or button but will fit also.

Lang

[motto]

Not exactly Lang, they will interchange and look similar but are not identical. From memory the Chev is 12 ft/lbs torque and the GMC (CCKW) 14 ft/lbs.
You can pick the difference between the two by the GMC having an oiler or some such fitting for the bushing on the coned end.

Dave

[Lang]

Dave

I know the GMC ones had bigger torque but they are still fully compatible to put on the Chev engine (I am sure many a Chev starter has been put on a GMC but as you say may have to work a bit harder)

Was it you who picked up the GMC starter for my Chev at Etreham from the dealer? Can't remember it spinning over faster but from your info it probably did. As I was whacking 12v through it suppose it is a moot point.

Lang

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Gilles

There is also a difference in the starter gear to match the ring gear, there is a difference in the number of teeth on ring gear as used with 12 starter depending on year, and there is a corresponding difference on the gear on the starter.

But as ring gears can be changed, I've done it, you almost have to count the teeth.

Depending on how worn the gears are they may interchange but they may also have trouble engaging.

There is a old thread on MLU that I think has the tooth count.

Cheers Phil

[Lang]

Just read the first post again and had a thought that Gilles might be trying to find a starter for a Ford and not for a Chev as we are assuming.


Feature Article from Hemmings Motor News
October, 2011 - Jim O'Clair

Finding a flywheel to fit your Chevrolet in the mid-Fifties used to be simple: There were only two possible units from 1942-'53. One flywheel (#3705385) covered all 1937-'53 cars and trucks with a 9 1/8-inch clutch disc and a six-bolt mounting pattern; the other (#3705387) covered all 1942-'53 cars and trucks with a 10-inch clutch disc and nine-bolt pattern. Both used 139-tooth ring gears for the starter. After 1953, Chevrolet changed to 12-volt starters, and the number of teeth on the ring gear was changed (161), but there are still just a few different flywheels used (excluding Hydra-Matic and Powerglide automatics). Some of these flywheels were used on models from the mid-Fifties up into the Eighties.
Lang

[motto]

Yes, that's right, he wants to know if Chev and Fraud CMP starters are the same or will interchange.
I think Phil has called it correctly.

Dave

[CWO (ret) Gilles Aubé]

The reason I was asking if the Ford and GM starter are the same is because our Chevrolet C15A 13, the starter is defective and cannot be repaired.
A good friend has a Ford starter and was going to give to us.
Now I am looking for a Chevrolet Starter.
We are firing salutes for many Légions in Québec province and have no tractor for the second gun.
Are Chev starter available ?
Do they have a part number?
I could use a defective one as long as the armature and field coil are good.
Please help!!!!

[CWO (ret) Gilles Aubé]

Attached a picture of us 3BAM at the Canadian Field of Honnour, military Cemetary.
Now we will be only firing half of our task.
Gilles

[Lang]

Gilles

I just looked on Ebay Canada/ If you put in Chevrolet Starter 1942 there are a number for sale $50 to $100. Some are buy now so you can have one in your hands in a couple of days.

Lang

[motto]

The starter from any of the following applications will do the job.
Almost any WW2 era Chevrolet truck whether 216 or 235 cubic inch.
This includes CMP and G506 1-1/2 ton 4x4.
Almost any WW2 era GMC truck using the 6 cylinder inline engine.
This includes the GMC 6x6 2-1/2 ton and even the DUKW amphibian.
Surely somebody near you will have a spare for one of these vehicle types.

David

[Bob Carriere]

What size engine are you using...?

The 216 has a 6 volt special starter gear that needs to be matched to the ring gear.

The 235 has a different starter gear and matching ring gear and is 12 volts.

A good NAPA or Benson auto part store should be able to get you a rebuilt starter but will need to know if its for a Chev. mid 1950 235 12 volts or a 1942 - 49 216 6 volt starter.

Look for the oldest guy at the parts counter.

Cheers

[Lang]

Bob

I think you will find ANY GM starter will fit ANY GM OHV six engine from at least 1940 until about 1953 when they changed to 12v and 161 teeth. There is nothing special about the ring gear on the 216 and it is the same whether a 6 bolt or a 9 bolt truck flywheel (both 139 teeth). As Dave said the GMC starters had a bit more oomph to cater for the slightly bigger engine but still interchangeable. As you say Gilles will have to check the starter is off the earlier engines and not just ask for a Chevrolet 6 starter and end up with a 50's model.

The 6 volt starter works just fine, in fact much better, wih 12 volt. I suspect half the CMP vehicles running around have 12 volt systems with no problems. The Jeep problem of smashing Bendix gears because of the violent throw in with 12 volt does not seem to happen with the Chevrolet CMP.

Lang

[cliff]

Originally Posted by Lang

The 6 volt starter works just fine, in fact much better, wih 12 volt. I suspect half the CMP vehicles running around have 12 volt systems with no problems. The Jeep problem of smashing Bendix gears because of the violent throw in with 12 volt does not seem to happen with the Chevrolet CMP.

Lang

Of course they will work with 12V Lang as the CMP when compared to a 'JEEP' is like comparing a Rolls Royce to a mini Minor

[motto]

Bob, the 235 Chev engine I refer to is the WW2 era splash feed/low pressure engine as used in American trucks particularly the G-506, 4x4, 1-1/2 ton Chev. It has many parts in common with the 216 including the starter.
A lot of people outside the U.S. are unaware of this engine and immediately associate the 235 displacement with the full pressure 50s era engine generally known in this country as the 'Blue Flame'.

David

[CWO (ret) Gilles Aubé]

I would like to thank all does that sent a reply about our problem starter.
We finally had to have the armature and the field coil rebuild.
The rebuilder claim that it is a 12volts starter now.

MERCI beaucoup maintenant nous pourrons HONORER les VÉTÉRANS!

Gilles