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Old 17-06-21, 04:55
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Old 17-06-21, 16:09
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Interesting,

It appears to be either a Machinery Trailer, Type “22 K.W. Generator” or a Machinery Trailer, “R.E. 25 K.W. Generator”.

Images from Vol VII of the Design Record attached.

I wonder if there is a long-term member of MLU who lives in the general area that has a collection of various types of CMP trailers who might be interested? Barry?

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Old 17-06-21, 17:07
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Years ago I would have been all over this, I wanted one in the worst way. Unfortunately I no longer have anything to tow it with (and the wife would kill me). I only hope someone gets it to restore and not to strip out the flathead.
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Old 17-06-21, 17:57
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The trailer:

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Ford generator
C$1,500
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Condition
Used – fair
Flat head Ford V8 gas
Military generator
It cranks over with a battery hooked up
Great restoration project
Centre Hastings, ON
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Tyler Hatcher

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Old 17-06-21, 17:58
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And part 2, the generator.

Agree, I hope is will be preserved as a unit!

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Old 18-06-21, 18:05
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Colin I saw this add about 6:00 am yesterday morning and had my finger on the button all day long. I went to a patio supper with Les Fisher, Brian Gough and my son. After a brief discussion with them I planned to sleep on it. Today cooler heads have prevailed and I will sadly leave it for someone else.
Thanks Paul for posting this.
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Old 18-06-21, 18:37
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Colin I saw this add about 6:00 am yesterday morning and had my finger on the button all day long. I went to a patio supper with Les Fisher, Brian Gough and my son. After a brief discussion with them I planned to sleep on it. Today cooler heads have prevailed and I will sadly leave it for someone else.
Thanks Paul for posting this.
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Kay, so how much of a price drop before you hit the 'buy it now' button? Despite having no place for it I've mulled over what that figure would be for me.
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Old 18-06-21, 21:00
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It appears to be either a Machinery Trailer, Type “22 K.W. Generator” or a Machinery Trailer, “R.E. 25 K.W. Generator”.

My guess is 22 k.w.Generator based on two elements:
1) the proportions of the transverse toolbox ahead of the main enclosure, and
2) absence of the separate V-belt driven welding generator mounted above the main generator (though this could have been removed at a later date...) that should be present on the 25 KW version.

Interesting to see lights typical of earlier M-series on the back of the trailer - this might be a post-service modification (though these lights would have been more expensive than commercial units) or might say something about how long the trailer remained in service.

I believe the 2x duplex outlets that seem to be in commercial boxes, wired with "Romex" would also be later additions.


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The enclosure is the later style - plain panels instead of the louvered ones found on early production (shown in the AEDB photos posted by Colin).
The fuel tank appears to be a replacement, smaller tank. But, the original straps may still be there, folded forward.

Though the trailer/generator may be worthy of preservation as an unusual survivor, it probably won't be too practical as a source of back-up power as both the 22KW and 25KVA are listed in their manuals as providing 110 VDC power. Given the stated 110 VDC output, I'm puzzled about the (likely added) outlets shown in the photos. Did the owner do some creative wiring or did they use it for loads that can accept the DC power (lighting? small heater?).

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Old 19-06-21, 01:01
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Guys, just convince the wifey you need this should there be a wide spread, prolonged, multi day black out so you do not have to live like the Amish, or Canada in the 1860s.
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Old 19-06-21, 02:03
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Guys, just convince the wifey you need this should there be a wide spread, prolonged, multi day black out so you do not have to live like the Amish, or Canada in the 1860s.
Stop it. I don't need any encouragement.
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Old 19-06-21, 02:31
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Kay, so how much of a price drop before you hit the 'buy it now' button? Despite having no place for it I've mulled over what that figure would be for me.
Gosh you Blokes are Deep Thinkers! Jump in and Buy It Now!

Look at that Instrument Panel, using a '37-'39 instrument cluster and the choke and throttle knobs from a CMP (or '40-'41 Commercial). I've seen a lot of GM Diesel gensets that use Delco instruments, but this is the first Ford unit I've seen to do it. This unit would clean up and display nicely. Don't let the Hot Rodders get it!
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Old 19-06-21, 02:36
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Years ago I would have been all over this, I wanted one in the worst way.
Do it! Feel young again!
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Old 19-06-21, 02:37
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Stop it. I don't need any encouragement.
We wouldn't do that to you!
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Old 19-06-21, 04:49
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if someone lives near this and has a good place to put it for a unknown but not forever spot to put it PM me.
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Old 19-06-21, 05:31
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if someone already divorced, living near this and has a good place to put it for a unknown but not forever spot to put it PM me.
best wishes, young Mr. Moon.
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Old 19-06-21, 07:00
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if someone lives near this and has a good place to put it for a unknown but not forever spot to put it PM me.
Perhaps the seller would store it for you until you could pick it up. It wouldn’t hurt to ask.
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Old 19-06-21, 15:57
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best wishes, young Mr. Moon.
I like your edit.
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I like your edit.
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Old 25-06-21, 17:58
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The Ford generator has been marked sold on the ad. Hopefully it’s gone to a good home.
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Old 25-06-21, 18:06
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Well, at least I don't need to keep torturing my self with "Do I want to" and "Should I...".
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Old 25-06-21, 21:55
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Old 25-06-21, 23:16
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Well, at least I don't need to keep torturing my self with "Do I want to" and "Should I...".
No, not any longer. But now you can wrestle with the "Did I do the right thing buying that?"
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Old 25-06-21, 23:51
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No, not any longer. But now you can wrestle with the "Did I do the right thing buying that?"
No problem there, I'm used to that one for both the ones I bought and the ones I let go by...
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Old 26-06-21, 04:19
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if someone bought it to save it, let me know if you change your mind in the future.
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Old 05-07-21, 23:03
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What an awesome find.....there is just something about trailers...

I hope it get's saved....and not just scrapped for just the Flathead.
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Old 09-07-21, 18:20
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Though the trailer/generator may be worthy of preservation as an unusual survivor, it probably won't be too practical as a source of back-up power as both the 22KW and 25KVA are listed in their manuals as providing 110 VDC power. Given the stated 110 VDC output, I'm puzzled about the (likely added) outlets shown in the photos. Did the owner do some creative wiring or did they use it for loads that can accept the DC power (lighting? small heater?).
I have the Hobart/Chrysler welder-generator version of this unit in US form. It also has 110V DC outlets. Apparently most small motors like those in handheld power tools (like grinders, drills etc) are "Universal" and will run on DC voltage. Here's the Wikipedia 101 course on them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_motor

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