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Old 01-05-20, 19:14
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Default 1 May 2020 Canadian firearms legislation changes

Canada has just announced a list of 1500 firearms that are moving from the scary but slightly OK list to the really really bad list by change of regulation. The program is a 2-year catchup between today's Order in Council to legislation passed in Parliament.

A few things caught my eye as I read down, and wanted to alert owners to do their legal required best until further notice.

http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/20...tTa3zMsECViifk

ie (z.221) Russian Artillery M1942 Anti-Tank Gun;
M72 Rocket Launcher
several Mortars and Recoilless Rifles
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Old 01-05-20, 20:00
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Two year amnesty and can continue to be stored as per their previous classifications. Can only be transported once either to bring them home or to bring them back to their owner.



Very encompassing, and bans a lot of historic items that are of no particular threat to the public. It would appear that the 2" mortar may not be re-classified as it's muzzle velocity is under the threshold to be classed as a firearm, but we'll see once the firearms tables are made available again.



They are talking about future buybacks as well as grandfathering.

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Old 01-05-20, 22:17
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Two year amnesty and can continue to be stored as per their previous classifications. Can only be transported one either to bring them home or to bring them back to their owner.


Very encompassing, and bans a lot of historic items that are of no particular threat to the public. It would appear that the 2" mortar may not be re-classified as it's muzzle velocity is under the threshold to be classed as a firearm, but we'll see once the firearms tables are made available again.


They are talking about future buybacks as well as grandfathering.
But a 3" and rocket launcher is? Note also that the wording in the OIC says 'including' before what's listed. So if it's not listed but meets the criteria it's prohibited even if it's not listed. PIAT?
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Old 01-05-20, 22:34
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But a 3" and rocket launcher is? Note also that the wording in the OIC says 'including' before what's listed. So if it's not listed but meets the criteria it's prohibited even if it's not listed. PIAT?
Let's not trumpet the inadequacies of the list and give the authorities reasons to change the list. For example, I picked up two spelling mistakes, and highlighted an apparent WTF inclusion to the appropriate office.
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Old 02-05-20, 00:34
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And next, the asshat in Ottawa will be coming for our green machines.
They’ve as much said that, in so far now as looking into people who collect police stuff after the tragedy in Nova Scotia.
Who needs a military vehicle? Are you some kind of nut?
Look how Quebec has already harassed MV owners with proposed bans for roadworthiness.
The police state is just over the horizon, mark my words.
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Old 02-05-20, 01:04
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And next, the asshat in Ottawa will be coming for our green machines.
They’ve as much said that, in so far now as looking into people who collect police stuff after the tragedy in Nova Scotia.
Who needs a military vehicle? Are you some kind of nut?
Look how Quebec has already harassed MV owners with proposed bans for roadworthiness.
The police state is just over the horizon, mark my words.
Damn right, next in the socialist/Liberals sights will be hand guns, more semi autos, pump shot guns and lever actions, once those are rolled up they will move on dewats and maybe start on first person shooter vid games. The idiot Liberals are going to keep milking this cow as long and as hard as possible.
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Old 02-05-20, 17:20
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PIAT?

Definition of a firearm begins with "a barrelled weapon...". No barrel on a PIAT. However, they can prohibit devices, as they have in the past. Throwing stars, nunchucks, brass knuckles.....a piat should fit right in there.
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Old 02-05-20, 21:58
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Yep. You have an amnesty for now, so can continue to store them the way you have been, but you can't take them out, can't sell them, can't use them. You can turn them in for compensation to be determined at a later date, and you can deactivate them. I have the guidelines for deactivation of larger bore stuff here somewhere. The chamber is drilled and pinned with a hardened dowel of 1/2" if I recall.



An organization that I belong to sent an email today indicating they are going to take action either politically (we still have some political allies) or through court action. They tell us not to panic which is the first good thing I have heard in a day.



If you look on rebel news, apparently n their hast to get as many submodels of the AR15 as possible, the included a couple of websites and an Eastern locksmiths business name.



Perhaps one option is to go the museum/business route. That would allow the possession, display and use of these items.
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Old 02-05-20, 22:22
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Yep. You have an amnesty for now, so can continue to store them the way you have been, but you can't take them out, can't sell them, can't use them. You can turn them in for compensation to be determined at a later date, and you can deactivate them. I have the guidelines for deactivation of larger bore stuff here somewhere. The chamber is drilled and pinned with a hardened dowel of 1/2" if I recall.



An organization that I belong to sent an email today indicating they are going to take action either politically (we still have some political allies) or through court action. They tell us not to panic which is the first good thing I have heard in a day.

If you look on rebel news, apparently n their hast to get as many submodels of the AR15 as possible, the included a couple of websites and an Eastern locksmiths business name.

Perhaps one option is to go the museum/business route. That would allow the possession, display and use of these items.
I think the strategy to defeat this lies in how it was implemented as well. It is a massive confiscation of legally owned property and was done through a non-debated Order in Council by a minority government that isn't even sitting currently, all in the middle of a world wide pandemic with people dying and locked in their homes losing their livelihoods and businesses. Heck, you can't even gather outside to protest. Surely our fellow Canadians can see the injustice in that.

The stated reason was a response to the tragic Nova Scotia killings but the scope shows it goes way beyond that and had been in the works for some time. To use that tragedy as a spring board for such a massive underhanded political grab is fowl and beneath my contempt.
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Old 02-05-20, 22:31
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Yep. You have an amnesty for now......

......I have the guidelines for deactivation of larger bore stuff here somewhere. The chamber is drilled and pinned with a hardened dowel of 1/2" if I recall.

....... use of these items.
Once you did up these guidelines, would you kindly share?
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Old 02-05-20, 22:05
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Seems to me with a stroke of a pen they have also banned all live tank cannons and artillery....20mm and over? Am I reading that right?
Because they have so much to do with Nova Scotia. Come to think of it, the election promise was for 'salt guns' so how did these sorts of things get mixed up in all of this. Apparently there are airsoft toy 'weapons' that meet the description for the ban. But don't worry, you've got 2 years before you have to chop it off and hand it in, but no parades off the property mind...
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Old 05-05-20, 14:06
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It's very ironic that Holland is celebrating the 75th anniversary if its liberation and connection to Canada at the same time Canada's government is attacking the very artefacts and Canadians who are most inclined to remember and celebrate it.
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Old 05-05-20, 21:58
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Above is a link to a petition to have the new firearm ban overturned. Use it or loose it.

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Old 06-05-20, 01:16
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https://t.co/rili2cI0sc

Above is a link to a petition to have the new firearm ban overturned. Use it or loose it.

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You guys have to fight with unity, and when you think you've done enough and spent enough money, you need to do some more.
Otherwise your kids and grand kids will not know the freedom you have/ had. It has happened here, but you appear to be leap frogging us. We lacked a consolidated approach several years back.
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Old 06-05-20, 03:35
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We are not leap frogging Lynn , we are pole vaulting all the way to the moon by gosh ! Please fellows , don’t remind the powers to be that they forgot the very dangerous PIAT ( for the uneducated this is irony ) on their infamous list . The cumbersome , heavy and crude projector that helped a famous Canadian hero earn the Victoria Cross !!! Blair’s list . The list of shame . This post will self destruct in 10 minutes .

A PIAT would not meet the definition of a firearm, since it has no barrel. But then again, they can write just about anything on that list. Don't forget that nunchuks and throwing stars are on previous lists. Apparently on the TV series KungFu in the 70s, they were quite deadly in the hands of David Carradine.



Apparently the new list may have inadvertently prohibited most 12 and 10 gauge shotguns because of their bore diameters. They also appear to have banned two websites and a New Brunswick locksmith in their haste to list all the AR rifles. Stay off of AR15.com lest you break the new OIC.
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