Under New Management

Originally posted by Rolf S. Ask
Here is another great shot, taken somewhere in Norway

Source: http://eggan.net/album/181/

Anyone having any info on the wireless body type?
Pictures drawings of it, inside and out?
And notice the "heater ting" on the front shield. Also the search light in the middle of the windows.
Rolf

Our MCC man Rory Ballard had a look at it and pronounced it as originally an office bodied CS8, these have two penthouses that extend from either side, however the body had been quite significantly altered from the canvas original.

The windscreen demister/defroster is a standard German item and can be regularly seen. It is little more than a glazed frame with a number of fine resistance (eureka or nichrome) wires strung across it between spring steel fingers that act as the contact feed points. It is simply plugged in to the standard Wehrmacht dash socket.

I had the opportunity to rebuild one of these for Paul Hocking's Stoewer; we only had one original wire but from its length. resistance and gauge, some replacement was found to restore the device to working order.

While we're on CS8 trucks, that young Rory Ballard has just bought this. . . . . . . . .

R.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Best to scan as an uncompressed TIF file, then resave/resize as a JPG with moderate compression for posting on the internet. Keefy's right - you can't go back.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

The parameters for posting pics here are 600 pixels wide and no larger than 100 Kb... which means if you have a pic which fits the pixel width, you only have to save with greater compression. Whatever software you're using should have this option.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Rolf S. Ask
Now it is your turn

O.K. here we go - some more pics from eBay (item 6158528598)

eBay item 6158528600

eBay item 6156328280

Your turn again!

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

From a lot of some 50 phots recently auctioned on eBay (Item number: 6155913897)

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
From a lot of some 50 phots recently auctioned on eBay (Item number: 6155913897)

Apparently these were taken somewhere in Afrika.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Rolf S. Ask
Anyone having any info on the wireless body type?
Pictures drawings of it, inside and out?

Rolf, a great picture indeed. As far as I can tell, it shows a Kfz. 17 Nachrichten Kw. (signals car), complete with cable reel holders on the front mudguards, modified from a captured Morris-Commercial. The German Army had a great variety of vehicles with these wooden bodies, all built to some standard design (see http://www.autogallery.org.ru/m/forv848d.htm for some pictures).

Are you going to build one of these?

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

See http://beute.narod.ru/ for lots of pictures of captured Allied equipment. The page on COE GMC's contained a surprise:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
See http://beute.narod.ru/ for lots of pictures of captured Allied equipment.

The page on M3A1 Scout Cars contains a picture with a nice truck in the background:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
The top one looked to my untrained eyes like a gantry ..ex-French order Dodge WK-60?

Did they French order those?!? As far as I know only the British did have the WK-60 with gantry recovery body - see Dodge trucks S/M 2023.

Wermacht truck WL 314297 looks to me as though it is a 1939 Chevrolet COE, perhaps VE? The trailer arrangement is typical of those produced in the Low Countries, and I wondered if Hanno thought it was a sequestred Dutch civilian outfit?

I have no idea, could be German Army as well.

H.

[Keith Webb]

Hi Rolf

Unfortunately there isn't a really effective way to increase resolution - the problem is there isn't enough information in a small image to make it large and clear.
You can try enlarging something in Photoshop, but all you're really doing is making bigger patterns of the same pixels.
Going from large to small works - it just doesn't work the other way around.

Here's your second image enlarged in Photoshop from 229 pixels to 500 pixels wide. I have also done an auto colour and contrast balance on it.

You can see it is now a lot fuzzier than the original.

The solution is of course to re-scan at higher resolution if you can.

[Keith Webb]

Hi Rolf

Please feel free to email them to me - I'll host them on my site - that way they can be much larger and won't put a strain on MLU resources.

Keith

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

The top one looked to my untrained eyes like a gantry ..Dodge WK-60?

Second I suspect is an ex-French order GMC AFWX-354.

The third I think is a 1940 Model Chevrolet WE, 131 inch wheelbase some of which were diverted to the UK and sold off onto the civilian market, so I assume that they were diverted from Antwerp...the featured truck may have been a sequestred Begian or Dutch truck although it could just possibly have been ex-Gennevilliers [GM France].

The fourth includes three? GMC AFWX-354 ex-French order trucks, with that crew-cab again. Likewise next one.

Wermacht [Heer] truck WL 314297 looks to me as though it is a 1939 Chevrolet COE, perhaps VE? The trailer arrangement is typical of those produced in the Low Countries, and I wondered if Hanno thought it was a sequestred Dutch civilian outfit?

These are amazing photos and proves to me that some of the French orders for Chevrolet and GMC military trucks did land on the Continent and were a nice present for the German forces...perhaps used on the Russian front? Having said that I would love to see a German Chevrolet Houlder-Thornton YR 6 x 4 as these were supposedly shipped after the Armistice.

Bart stated that a consignment of GM trucks was offloaded at La Rochelle, intended for the French forces but the Germans found them and had them asembled for their own use. Given known timing of the order placement in New York in 1939 and when the diverted crates landed in the UK, I wondered whether any of the AFWX trucks were included in the La Rochelle batch?

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Hanno, is the truck not rhd? Close scrutiny of my screen suggests under correction that it is. I agree, I discount ex-French on reflection. I suggest a captured Gantry truck to S/M 2023 ...were they used in North Africa?

L 4552457 to 4553198 [unless there were any Mid-East theatre Census Numbers in addition] 1940-41 Canadian Dodge Model DCM-4? [equivalent of the US WK-60] with Welles-Thornton rear bogie, Serials # 8,300,001 – 8,300,742? I say DCM-4, although it would appear that they were WK-60 chassis railed across from the Dodge truck plant in Detroit to Windsor and then 'assembled' to British specs. after addition of the Thornton bogie supplied by Thornton's Canadian agents.

[Keith Webb]

There are lots of interesting Beute pics on the Axis History forum.

Here's a nice example of a CGT, marked as a Ford (their IDs are sometimes wonky such as Ford Cab 11 CMPs marked as Morris C8).

I notice some of us have already posted in there too.

[Keith Brooker]

some more photos from my collection, i cant read the german on the back of the first photo. any one help?

[cletrac (RIP)]

Kieth, your first pic is a Chev 15 cwt but the box is unique. It's a lot like the 2A1 but it has square wheel well openings. The only pix I've seen of British made boxes use 3 1/2" boards for the sides and this one uses 5 1/2" by the look of it. It doesn't have fold down sides and the POW can holders are mounted on their side instead of laying flat. The top of the endgate is flat too.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Keith Brooker

some more photos from my collection, i cant read the german on the back of the first photo. any one help?

The first three show an Indian Pattern F15 15-cwt truck. These were delivered as chassis/cowls to India, where they were bodied locally.

The scribbling on the back is hard to read, all I could make out is Egypt and 1942.

HTH,
Hanno

[Keith Brooker]

Thanks for the info on the photo David and the german on the back Hanno

[Kuno]

Originally Posted by Keith Brooker

some more photos from my collection, i cant read the german on the back of the first photo. any one help?

It is actually not the language causing problems - but more the writing itself.

Second line: "In Aegypten - in Egypt"
Fourth line: "Sommer 42 - Summer '42"

[Keith Brooker]

Some more original photos of Austins from my book.

[Oliver Missing]

Originally Posted by Keith Brooker

some more photos from my collection, i cant read the german on the back of the first photo. any one help?

The Inscription reads : "In der Katarrasenke in Ägypten gemacht. Im Sommer 42" meaning "Photo taken in the Qattara Depression in Egypt. In summer 1942".
IIRC, the unpassable region south of El Alamein preventing Rommel to bypass the British positions.

[Kuno]

Very good.

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

Richard, thanks mate! I agree that it is unlikely that there were any Mid-East Census Numbers applied.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by Rolf S. Ask
Now it is your turn

An early AEC Matador on the right. I think some that went to Norway had petrol engines, is that where the picture was taken?

Richard

[Richard Farrant]

Originally posted by David_Hayward
I suggest a captured Gantry truck to S/M 2023 ...were they used in North Africa?

L 4552457 to 4553198

David,

The WK-60 Breakdown Gantry was definitely used in North Africa. A photo in Brian Baxter's book, "Breakdown", shows one and the census number looks to be L 4552570. Bodies were British built, so hence it is not a Middle East census number, they would have been shipped to UK first.

Richard

[Rolf S. Ask]

as Hanno stated in a post.....

Why not show us your pictures of vehicles used by the enemy?? Either Commonwhealt used by the axis or the other way round??
OK you might be allowed one US vehicle too....
And someone please tell me how to make the photos bigger with out redusing the resolution too much...

Rolf

[Keith Brooker]

British bedfords 4.jpg British Trucks 8.jpg British truck.jpg
Some of the photos i have in my collection of British trucks in German use. I have about 250 Original photos of of British trucks / cars that we left for the Germans to use. I am looking for some photos of 1944 Morris C8 GS 4x4 as i can not find any during the war and just a few post war. My Morris did not come out of the Army untill 1957 so there must be some out there.

1944Morris C8 GS
1938 Humber used as a Staff car in WW2

[sapper740]

It's time to revive this excellent thread with pictures of what I believe is an Opel Blitz obviously driven by U.S. troops who want to make sure they don't experience any friendly fire incidents

CHIMO! Derek

[Skoda boy]

When you can not afford a real MV this is what you end up with.