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Old 24-09-14, 23:14
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Default 19 radio set carriers.

Hi, Does anyone know what the difference between the carrier set No. 22 and the carrier Set No.21 ZA3102 is?.

I know the carrier set No 22 is fitted to a mk1 carrier. Would the 21 carrier perhaps go in the turret of a Centaur (power supply mounted in line with 19 set).

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Old 25-09-14, 00:25
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http://www.vmarsmanuals.co.uk/archiv..._Equipment.pdf

I have always found the above link to be a good source of information for the bits and bobs of ZA marked 19 set stuff. Mind you it applies to the Canadian stuff.
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Old 25-09-14, 00:45
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Wow, rob that's great, explains everything on the carrier 21 and 22 construction.

One question which I couldn't see in the manual, how is the strap configured when mounting a 19 set with the power supply on top, (as in a mk1. Bren carrier), is it one singular extra long strap?.

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Old 25-09-14, 03:21
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Wow, rob that's great, explains everything on the carrier 21 and 22 construction.

One question which I couldn't see in the manual, how is the strap configured when mounting a 19 set with the power supply on top, (as in a mk1. Bren carrier), is it one singular extra long strap?.

Thanks Kevin.
Take the two angle pieces that are screwed onto the bottom rails for the supply unit off. Place them on top of the sender/receiver at the left side (you'll see the holes line up and are made to accept it). Place the web fixing strap under them and screw the angles on to the S/R case. Install the rubber or web pads, the S/U (on its side) and snug the screw down to hold it all in place.
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Old 25-09-14, 12:24
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Thanks Bruce, it looks to me you can shorten a no 21,19 set carrier to make it a no 22 carrier. I won't do this of course but replicate my no 21 and build it shorter.

Does any one have any spare strap with end fittings?.

Kevin.
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Old 26-09-14, 08:43
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Default 19 set mounts 21 22 23

The strap for the radio is the same for all three mounts
Strap clamping, No. 1 ZA 2987 PC 76454 C

The strap for the power supply is the same for mount 21 and 23
Strap clamping, No. 2 ZA 2988 PC 76455 C

The strap for power supply mount # 22 is longer because the power supply is mounted on its side.
Strap clamping, No. 3 ZA 2949 PC 76485 C

Bases without accessories
21 carrier No. 1 ZA 14971 PC 76481C
22 carrier No. 2 ZA 14972 PC 76482C
23 carrier No. 3 ZA 14996 PC 63410C

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Old 26-09-14, 09:59
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Hi, thanks for that info, I am also looking for some of the shock absorber mounts used on the radio carriers (item 4 in the picture), they look like the same type used on the 11 set tray.

If I had one I could perhaps manufacture some,

Kevin.
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Old 27-09-14, 00:37
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Default Shock absorber corners....

Recently seen on Ebay at.... brace yourself ...a set of four at $100 US.

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Old 27-09-14, 02:32
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There is a collector in Edmonton who found that there are very similar mounts underneath some current generator sets. They are too wide, so it is just a matter of slicing them to make the mounts. That would result in fresh/modern rubber rather than trying to hold a 60 pound radio with 70 year old bonded rubber.
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Old 27-09-14, 04:14
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I have an NOS Carriers No. 22 finished in a wrinkle Brown No. 2 that has puzzled me for years. Top dead centre of the rear base channel is 'PC 72287 C' in white. The leading edge of the front base channel has 'FRONT' stencilled in white.

To my eye, there does not seem to be anything asymmetrical about this carrier that would necessitate having to identify a specific orientation, or have I been missing something all these years?

David
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Old 27-09-14, 05:38
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Default In response to Rob Love....19 set corner shock mounts

Rather than pirate the content of this thread........ would it not be better to start a series of info emails on the subject....

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I have an NOS Carriers No. 22 finished in a wrinkle Brown No. 2 that has puzzled me for years. Top dead centre of the rear base channel is 'PC 72287 C' in white. The leading edge of the front base channel has 'FRONT' stencilled in white.

To my eye, there does not seem to be anything asymmetrical about this carrier that would necessitate having to identify a specific orientation, or have I been missing something all these years?

David
I've never met the No.22 carrier, but as far as I am aware it's symmetrical. The only possible reason for there being a "front" and "back" is if it's been drilled for an earth
terminal (at front right) like the Carrier No.25, or at the ends of the channel to take the earthing strap from the rhs of the set, though I think they used the shock absorber bolt for that.

They may have stencilled it with a "FRONT" marking just to be consistent with all the other set carriers which were definitely "handed" for the supply unit mounting, etc.

Incidentally, there are a lot more carriers than the 1,2,3 and 21,22,23,25 in the documentation, intended to cover things like the WS19HP and twin WS19 installations for Command tanks, et cetera. Some of them look Very Odd Indeed.

Chris.
I have Carriers No.1 (plated steel), 21 (painted No.1), 3 (or 23, hard to tell) (wooden board) and 25 (all-welded steel with a single long strap that goes around everything).

I'm missing the adapter plate for the supply unit for the No.25. (This is the "house shaped" plate with four holes to allow it to be screwed to the top of the supply unit, a "step fold" to clear the studs on the end of the strap clamp, and two keyhole slots to take the said studs.
Its purpose is to reverse the direction of the keyhole slots in the supply unit case (intended for when it's laid on its side on the set top), which point the wrong way for the clamping strap. (The "tails" of the slots need to point to the right for this mounting to work.) Does anyone have one that they could photograph and/or measure, please?

Accurate measurements of the No.2 (or 22) would also be very useful.
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Old 01-10-14, 02:01
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I've never met the No.22 carrier, but as far as I am aware it's symmetrical. The only possible reason for there being a "front" and "back" is if it's been drilled for an earth
terminal (at front right) like the Carrier No.25, or at the ends of the channel to take the earthing strap from the rhs of the set, though I think they used the shock absorber bolt for that.

They may have stencilled it with a "FRONT" marking just to be consistent with all the other set carriers which were definitely "handed" for the supply unit mounting, etc.

Hi Chris,
This picture of a No.22 Carrier does not look symmetrical, the angle bracket looks to be closer to the end on the right. So there looks to be good reason for it to be marked Front.

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Old 01-10-14, 03:49
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Isn't there another piece that goes on the right end to hold a bit of a terminal board for the power wires? The terminal block C1? Or does it mount on the "plate, metal mounting, carrier sets C1"?
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Old 01-10-14, 07:26
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Richard.

Thanks for posting that picture. It prompted me to grab a tape measure and go hunting in the basement for my No. 22 Carrier for a closer look.

Sure enough. The distance from the left rail to the end of the base channel is 62mm. The distance from the right rail to the end of the base channel on that side is just 50mm, so for some reason, spacing is critical from one end to the other with this particular Carrier.

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Hi Chris,
This picture of a No.22 Carrier does not look symmetrical, the angle bracket looks to be closer to the end on the right. So there looks to be good reason for it to be marked Front.

regards, Richard
Aha! The left hand end also has an earthing strap fitted: Item 31 if you blow the image up.

Presumably that bolts to the radio table/vehicle metalwork, and the WS19 earthing strap to the other end of the carrier?

There may be room to get a power connector on the left hand end, but the standard "Batten, Terminal, 2-pt" is rather too large, I think. I suspect the extra clearance on the left hand side is for power and harness cabling to be routed clear of the front panel.

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Reviving this thread I thought I'd post a picture of the various securing straps used with the carriers. I have 5 sets of straps and all are different. The first two are manufactured with conveyor type belting but of different grades, the third is stitched canvas. The fourth is black conveyor type belting and the last is of webbing construction. I suspect that it could just be that each were produced by different manufacturers who used materials that they already familiar with or had easy access to.
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Is the 22 radio cradle etc still used on a Mk2 carrier ?
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From what I have seen, Richard, both the No 21 and No 22 Carrier can be used for a 19-Set installation in that UC. Either one is centered in the space across the front right corner of the rear compartment.

If you can get your hands on a copy of Bill Gregg’s Profile No. 5 you can see how either installation is set up.

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I have a roll of this webbing strap somewhere... I'll have a look for it.

Happy to sell some if it is the right stuff.


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