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Old 29-07-19, 12:08
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More finds from the IWM archives:
Hi Hanno, the Sawbridgeworth photo is an Albion; The photo has been published many times with the wrong caption,
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Old 29-07-19, 15:57
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A North American Mustang of No. 2 Squadron RAF, takes off from Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, past a Commer Q2 mobile wireless van providing air to ground communications. To the left, a De Havilland Dragon Rapide communications aircraft is parked in on of the dispersals."
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Hi Hanno, the Sawbridgeworth photo is an Albion; The photo has been published many times with the wrong caption
Hello Ted,

Thanks for pointing that out. I was happy I found another photo of a Commer (as per the caption), I should have checked the picture more carefully.

Can you tell us which exact model this is? I could only find this picture you posted on HMVF.

Thanks,
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Old 30-07-19, 10:37
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Its an Albion A.M.463 built for the Air Ministry from 1934 to 38. Most common versions were aircraft refueller, G.S. cargo and ambulance. Photos of the wireless body are quite rare. The pic I posted is a crop as the vehicle had a large container on top of the wireless body , possibly for carrying aerials.
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Old 31-07-19, 10:00
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Is there any known record of 40's Q chassis numbers and dates out there?
Also, what are the 15 Q3's in the Rootes wartime production list ?
I've got a Q2 and a Q3 (or the remains of) as a long term project and not quite sure yet which direction the rebuild will take.
I have done the usual Googleing and can't find much decent info on wartime Commers except this excellent thread ...

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Old 31-07-19, 14:02
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Default Albion A.M.463

Ted, thanks for the info! Talk about a rare truck...

I will amend the caption later.

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Its an Albion A.M.463 built for the Air Ministry from 1934 to 38. Most common versions were aircraft refueller, G.S. cargo and ambulance. Photos of the wireless body are quite rare. The pic I posted is a crop as the vehicle had a large container on top of the wireless body , possibly for carrying aerials.
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Old 31-07-19, 14:06
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Is there any known record of 40's Q chassis numbers and dates out there?
Also, what are the 15 Q3's in the Rootes wartime production list ?
I've got a Q2 and a Q3 (or the remains of) as a long term project and not quite sure yet which direction the rebuild will take.
I have done the usual Googleing and can't find much decent info on wartime Commers except this excellent thread ...
Hello Charlie,

Glad to hear you like this thread. Can’t answer your question for now, will do some more digging to see what comes up.

Meanwhile, I leave you with pictures of Mark Bannon’s Q2 8’ w.b. Tractor project - just to let you know you’re not alone working on saving these rare trucks.

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Old 29-09-19, 22:10
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I do remember seeing a 1/76 scale modelling drawing of the truck in question.
Alex,

Could that drawing be this one?

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Some more information from modelling magazines or books:

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Old 29-09-19, 22:53
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Hanno,

I think the drawing might have been the bottom left one (page 17)....from a Bellona publication(?)

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Old 06-10-19, 23:14
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Les Freathy wrote on FB:

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Another image Hanno from the RAF data listings, sorry about the line through the middle apparently when these and others were surplussed it was customery to put the line through the illustrations i cant see why that had to be done surely just a explanation written the page would have been sufficient.

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Old 10-10-19, 22:34
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Gave it a cut and polish
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Old 11-10-19, 22:20
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Gave it a cut and polish
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Old 09-11-19, 13:14
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Found high quality versions of two known pictures of a Commer Q15 15-cwt and a Commer Q4 3-ton truck.

Make sure to check out Graham Newell's "Military Vehicle" album at https://www.flickr.com/photos/625327...7630353233450/

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Old 16-11-19, 18:11
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I'm trying to gather some more information on the Commer Q2 15-cwt as used by the RAF during WW2. Here's what I found in Vanderveen's books (text) and the internet (pictures):
Les Freathy found a better picture of the Q2 Van in the first post. It is in use with a Polish RAF squadron as the near side wing has the Polish Air Force checkerboard marking. The offside wing sports the RAF Type A roundel.

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Old 16-11-19, 22:59
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Speaking of RAF markings:

Ted Angus remarked that early vehicles had aluminum RAF letters screwed on the door. Once camouflage came in the RAF they were painted over, as seen on this Commer Q2 Tractor. These letters were done away with when the roundel was introduced.

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Old 17-11-19, 15:17
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Two photos from my collection.
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Old 17-11-19, 15:29
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Two photos from my collection.
Thanks Keith!

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Old 27-11-19, 09:12
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Old 27-11-19, 21:35
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Thanks Radek, also for sending me this picture. Had seen it before but somehow not posted it here. This Ministry of Food variant is a rare one, it may even be a one off? The Bedford-based one is better known.

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Old 28-11-19, 22:49
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This Ministry of Food variant is a rare one, it may even be a one off?
Richard Allebone sent me a screenshot, a quick search yielded the original of another Commer Q2 flying food truck. This is another vehicle, note “Jamaica’s Women War Material and Comforts Committee” on the side. It was supplied to UNNRA so this is a postwar picture.

Read more about how Caribbean women supported Britain’s war effort in a variety of ways at http://westindiacommittee.org/caribb.../women-in-war/

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Old 30-11-19, 11:29
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Over on HMVF in the excellent thread Guy vix-ants - queens messengers "Runflat" posted two files identifying all the Commer chassis supplied as "Welfare Vans". A total of fifteen Commers were supplied as Welfare Van (pictured here) and Canteen.

I have attached the details of the particular example posted above, as well as the files by "Runflat". Commer Q2 "CUN 351" was transferred to UNRRA where it was registred as "UNRRA-Y9".

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Richard Allebone sent me a screenshot, a quick search yielded the original of another Commer Q2 flying food truck. This is another vehicle, note “Jamaica’s Women War Material and Comforts Committee” on the side. It was supplied to UNNRA so this is a postwar picture.
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Old 30-11-19, 11:36
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The file with the listing of Ministry of Food & Queen's Messengers vehicles lists the Commer Welfare Van donated by Jamaica Mutual Life Association Society as CUN 353:

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Thanks Radek, also for sending me this picture. Had seen it before but somehow not posted it here. This Ministry of Food variant is a rare one, it may even be a one off? The Bedford based is better known.
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Old 30-11-19, 18:42
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Glad you appreciate the lists.

Here are some more Commer photos from the IWM archive, though you may need to squint a bit.

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And some more:

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Old 30-11-19, 20:39
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Glad you appreciate the lists.

Here are some more Commer photos from the IWM archive, though you may need to squint a bit.
Alan, I cannot thank you enough for compiling the lists, it is great to add an identity to the vehicles found in the various pictures!

Of the IWM photos, I particularly like:

CH14815: A crew of No 58 Squadron in front of their Halifax Mk II Series IA at Stornoway in the Outer Hebrides, 22-26 February 1945.
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Old 17-12-19, 19:45
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Another pre-heating van:

“Ground staff prepare a No. 233 Squadron Hudson for flight in freezing conditions at Thorney Island, 19 January 1942. The 'hot air van' has been brought in to warm up the engines and de-ice the cockpit windscreen.”

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Another pre-heating van:
And one more, towing a runway control van:

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A row of RAF Crossley Q tractors, all sorts of interesting vehicles in the background like a Commer Q2 Van.

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Post-war conversion on Commer Q2 chassis into a laundry van.

The Dunlop Trak Grip 10.50-16 tyres are a give-away this is a former military vehicle.

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Old 24-02-20, 00:21
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Ted, regarding your post 89, what distinguishing features of that Sawbridgeworth 'Commer' convince you its an Albion A.M.463?

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Sorry for the late reply. The vehicle in the IWM photo has a quarter light in the cab, Commers don't have quarter lights. The strip of vents in the side of the bonnet - although only partially visible is too high in it's dimension, the position of the step/running board is wrong for a Commer, the contour or the front wing is wrong So definitely not a Commer. Also the body is the pre-war pattern fitted to Albions. regards TED
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