2012 at the Hammond Barn

[RHClarke]

It was cold, sunny and beautiful this morning in Hammond. After sparking up Lucifer, I headed to the back 40 to remove some of the ice and snow that was building up on some of the trucks. On the way out there I noticed bird tracks in the snow and on the road. They were huge! Imagine my surprise when I interrupted a rafter (as a group of turkeys is sometime known as) of birds feasting on seeds. Their anti-social side was showing as they departed rapidly to the north. A half hour later I heard foot falls and lo and behold, Bob made his appearance sporting a 5 gallon pail filled with feed for his flock. Bob has some feeding stations for his flock. He even has names for some of them including; Thanksgiving and Christmas...odd names to be sure.

After the snow removal I headed back to Lucifer's warmth to find Grant and Bob channelling their inner artiste. Bob was drawing up plans for the ramp project. I busied myself with the upper divider wall from the HUP. This ate up the morning and triggered us to head for a brunch in Rockland. The looks on the faces of the locals (who were dressed in their Sunday best) when the three of us wandered in was priceless. I guess were were overdressed.

On the way home we stopped in at Casa Vapeur to visit Guy. Guy took us on the chef's tour of his workshop and asked us to identify a few of his newest acquisitions including a radio storage box and what turned out to be a Vickers MG ammo box (pics below).

Back at the barn the boys designed and welded up a set of stops for the ends of the ramps to ensure there was no repeat of past embarrasments... This being tax time, I headed home early to do some accounting - the aim to keep money out of the hands of the tax man!

Hopefully Bob will post some photos of the radio box and the stops that were added to the ramps.

Photos:
1. The almost finished ramps
2. Ramp connector
3. More of the same
4. The boys working on the stops
5. Upper divider wall - HUP

[RHClarke]

Bob brought home a slew of ammo boxes from Acton, and a few from Guy Vapeur today. Since they are not making them anymore, they are becoming more collectible. Guy provided us with two boxes to identify and evaluate. Bob has snaps of the radio box, and my shots of the ammo box follow.

The ammo box turned out to be for a Vickers machine gun. I checked out the nomenclature online and found similar items on ePay. The ePay boxes sell for around $50.00, but are not in as good shape as this box. If you have an interest in this box, contact Guy on this forum.

Photos of Guy's box (some of you are smiling needlessly...):

[Bob Carriere]

Nothing special about what we built except it should outlast us all.

My old wooden ones were rotting and then the ants decided to build a condominium in one of them.

I used basic 1 1/2 square tubing with medium thickness wall at about 1/8.

I used 1 1/2 angle for the bottom section again 1/8 thick. Size depends mainly on what I was already using in the old wooden ramps. You have to be careful not to make the ramp too step if you ntedn to change the oil in the wife's car. I opted to build the ramp in two sections... yeah the weight makes it easier for an ol' guy to hamdle them. The wheel supporting section is 12 inches wide by 14 inches high...... bottom tubing was cut at 18 inches to give more lateral stability. The wheel section is 21 inches long.... the ramp about 3 feet long...... the hand drawn sketch gives exact dimension.

None of the dimension are critical you cut and weld according towhat stock you have.

I opted for a Heavy Duty expended steel for the surface....good traction....self cleaning in muddy conditions and lighter than a solid sheet. The exppanded steel is 3/16 thick cut at 10 1/2 inches wide and welded to the tubing at every point or approx every 1 1/4 inch.... makes for a very ridgid surface.

To keep the two part of the ramp together when driveing up the thing I rummaged in the scrap pile....God bless the hoarders... I used a piece of very thick (5/16) U channel... 4 inches wide 1 1/2 high or deep. Welded the 8 inch section to the bottom tube of the ramp so it over rides the bottom tube of the wheel stand. Pictures are worth a 1000 words.

As an after thought and greatly supported by both Rob and Grant we added a wheel stop ... something about my enthusiastic driving.... to make sure I do not over shoot the ramp.

Nice part about the two section..... after the truck is on the wheel section the ramp can be removed and greater access is gained to the underside..... my Ford diesel has a fuel filter mounted inside the frame underneath the driver's side and my old wooden ramps always complicated the servicing.

The ramps should hold up the Ford nicely or any size CMP for that matter.

They will be left outside to develop a nice rust bloom.... the will paint with a Rust paint to insure good adhesion to the metal.

Any questions fire away.

[Bob Carriere]

Here goes...

[Bob Carriere]

We have no idea what a No 9 receiver set looks like but here is the box that contained it. If someone has a photo of the receiver we would appreciate it.

Box is about 9" x 10 " by 20 inches..... butterbox finger corner joints. Two separations inside have been removed.

Guy will part to interested party for $$$$

Bob

[RHClarke]

Info on the No. 9 set:

http://wftw.nl/wireless/wireless.html

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Bob

Thanks for the write up and the pictures, can I use it in the next Club Newsletter?

Our local MV Club is having its annual spring welding seminar and hands on playing around with different welding equipment and this will make an excellent project for the day.

Cheers Phil

[Bob Carriere]

...of course you can use it...... no patent on that one.

Nice project for welding...... nothing has to be fancy.... and it's good practice...... and strong enough to handle a C60.

If anyone makes improvements please share themon the forum.

In retrospec I could have used 1/8 thick expanded steel since the span between sides is about 10.5 inches and welded at every crease..... would make it lighter and cheaper.

But mine will be harder for someone to walk away with them.

Bob

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Bob

Last welding project that I used for demonstrating plasma cutting and mig welding was engine test stand, but I've got four of them now so I needed a new demonstration project. Your ram units will make a good practical and useable demonstration because they can be completed in a days demonstration with lots of hands on welding.

Cheers Phil

[Bob Carriere]

.... been toying with the idea of building an engine test stand using the front section of a CMP frame ....... so we can run/test engine using a generic civilain radiator....... would use a small traielr axle to lower the height of the engine for ease of working......

.... and the one after that will be the "rotissery" ..... been collecting jacks, stubby axles and a worm drive reduction gear box for the rotation mechanism.
I inadvertently took pictures of a commercial one at a car show...pure accident..... said device should come in handy when repairing or reverse engineering a repro 2B1 cargo box.......

I may never finish my C15a but will have fun building all the tools I need to get there........

Bob

[Gordon Yeo]

That's negative waves Bob. Having all the tools already built makes the second truck go that much quicker!

Gord

[Bob Carriere]

You have heard how making your first million $$$$ is the hardest the second and 3rd million becomes easy....

.... so I have given up on making my first million $$$ and I am working on the fourth one.... should be even easier.

Bob

[RHClarke]

It was a quiet weekend at the barn. Bob was out to the barn on Saturday and entertained a visitor. Not much else went on that I could tell. Today, I got to the barn late and spent most of the morning jawing with Bob about the upcoming federal budget and its potential ramifications. We waited until noon just in case Grant arrived, but he was absent - a mystery we are going to try to unravel.

After a quick spot of tea for lunch, I fired up the HUP for a sunny ride in the country. Today was different as I had a passenger and he actually had a seat to sit upon! I took Bob for a spin to the back 40 and return. Bob noted that the air conditioner was working well (still no nose on the front yet). Back at the barn we ran into Guy Vapeur. After a brief chat, I headed back to the city for domestic chores.

There was a time when I got to the barn before sun up and headed home after the sun started to set. Hopefully I will get back into the routine as the weather gets better.

[Stuart Fedak]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

....
.... and the one after that will be the "rotissery" ..... been collecting jacks, stubby axles and a worm drive reduction gear box for the rotation mechanism.
I inadvertently took pictures of a commercial one at a car show...pure accident..... said device should come in handy when repairing or reverse engineering a repro 2B1 cargo box.......

Bob

Just a reminder of:
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14257

That is still on my wish list as well........

Cheers!
Stuart

[Bob Carriere]

Did a quick search, from work, on Google under "autobody rotisserie" and came up with about 20+ pages of photos, plans, design....some cheap made of wood to commercially sold devices... all good source for inspiration. Now I need to do it from home and copy some of the photos.

First spare $$$ will be for thick wall tubing..... the vertical woudl be best built using trailer 1/4 x 2 inch stock with trailer hitch stock ( 2 1/2 in.) that fits right over the 2 inch square tubing.......

Why don't you drop by the barn Stuart so we can chat..... and compare design ideas.

Bob

[KrisHamilton]

never thought of this until now... but what was used to heat the inside of a HUP, during winter conditions??

[Bob Carriere]

... a bottle of gin, a pack of Camel cigs.....and a red head.

The first two are optional.

Geez Kris..... they were war time trucks...people shooting at you...lucky to be alive..... and you are concerned with heat !!!!!




Just shittin' you .......... they would not allow me to get even with anyone at work today.

Boob

[RHClarke]

Originally Posted by KrisHamilton

never thought of this until now... but what was used to heat the inside of a HUP, during winter conditions??

I know that the late 45 model had a personnel heater on the drivers side behind the partition. It used radiator fluid fed into a small core in the heater. A small fan provided the occupants with what I am sure was a whisper of heated air.

Given the cramped interior, if there were two or more soldiers in the back, that would have kept things somewhat warmer than the outside temp.

Further to Bob's list, may I suggest a large dog or a "Winter Wife" (inside Barn joke).

[KrisHamilton]

haha.. i should have known. i wonder how much heat the 216 would give off on long road trips.... maybe just enough.

[Phil Waterman]

Hi Kris

Meant to respond to you first comment on heaters for HUPs but forgot, I have often kidded that HUP in fact all CMPs have Air Conditioners that work great In Winter and Heaters that work best In summer.

But kidding aside take a look at the Special Cold Weather Equipment supplement that came with the manuals in my HUP some 30+ years ago, unfortunately none of this equipment was fitted to my HUP. It does give a very good amount of detail about the equipment.


Follow this link to the entire manual http://canadianmilitarypattern.com/S...0Equipment.htm . You will note that much of the heater equipment is basic Chevrolet of the period.

Cheers Phil

[RHClarke]

The biggest draw in Hammond on Sunday was at the barn. We had a steady stream of visitors on Sunday afternoon. We had the usual trio, Bob, Grant and I, then we had Guy stop in. John T stopped by to finally take the chef's tour of the barn after years of my relating stories to him over the bar. Later, Bob's neighbour Bruce strolled to the barn with a friend (a local trapper) and his young daughter. They too took a tour of the barn and the wagon lines. Shortly thereafter, Brian F and his friend Dago dropped by with some HUP parts that they had been working on.

It was interesting to note the expertise on hand that day:

Public Servant X 2
Contractor (retired Army)
Retired cop
Retired Army vehicle tech
Trapper
Kid
Retired postal worker (kept looking for the high ground for some reason)
International entrepreneur
Electrical Engineer

It would be interesting to harness all of that expertise to see what we could come up with...

After the round of visits, Bob and Grant got back to the business of fixing some of the sheet metal from the front of Bob's truck. While that was going on, I played with the MIG welder and succeeded in making bigger holes out of small holes in my rear kick panel. All good practice for the more obvious pieces.

Time flew by all too fast, and I headed back to Ottawa with the sounds of metal being punished coming from the barn. Ah! The memories!

Photos:
1- The barn parking lot
2- Bob pontificating
3 - The parting scene
4 - HUP Porn

[Bob Carriere]

Can hardly wait for Saturday to go back to the barn and resume welding....

Had a thunder storm last night..... may be a weird coincidence but lost all my automatic password on my computer..... had to sign up on MLU and Stovebolt all over again.

Now today at the office the same situation arose....using the government computers all my automatic passwords had been lost and had to sign up again.

Anybody else had that problem????

Bob

[Stuart Fedak]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Had a thunder storm last night..... may be a weird coincidence but lost all my automatic password on my computer..... had to sign up on MLU and Stovebolt all over again.

Now today at the office the same situation arose....using the government computers all my automatic passwords had been lost and had to sign up again.

Anybody else had that problem????

Bob

I saw that same thing on the X-files......... Something about the gourberrment and the Revenue Canada folks have you in their sights. Or maybe it has something to do with the second comming...... The Hammond Barn is a sacred place........ at least to the folks on MLU...........

If the weather is nice on Sunday, I may make an Iltis crusie out to your place..... is that OK?

Cheers!
Stuart

[KrisHamilton]

Phil thanks for the post... i will print that off for a rainy day

Clarke, just curious as to what size portable shelter you use to store your Hup in now.... im thinking i might be able to store my truck sooner in my back yard if i get a decent portable shelter as u do ... any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

[Bob Carriere]

Come on over in the afternoon...... after 1 pm is best.....

Kris .....check Canadian tire and TSC for shelters that go on sale..... minimum size 10 X20 ..... better if you can get the 13 x 26 intended for vans or large
4x4.

Bob

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by KrisHamilton

Phil thanks for the post... i will print that off for a rainy day

Clarke, just curious as to what size portable shelter you use to store your Hup in now.... im thinking i might be able to store my truck sooner in my back yard if i get a decent portable shelter as u do ... any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Avoid the tarps on those commercial driveway shelters. I have one in the driveway, and it started to fail. The UV rays eat those tarps in a hurry. The wind will flap and fatigue the fabric quickly too.

My solution, after the big snow of 07/08 when mine collapsed, was to generously collect all the bent pipes from my neighbourhood's collapsed shelters. I disassembled mine completely, and rebuilt it with salvaged and $100 of replacements from the factory. I built three new frames from lumber to extend it back 8'. I skinned it all with a new white tarp AND four sections of surplus modular tent canvas. The pieces lace together nicely. Hammond Barn habitue Guyvapeur helped sew a new end panel and make some minor repairs. The best thing with the modular tent sections, is there is about 5' of rolled up fabric at the bottom edge. So, if I want to lengthen the legs for a taller vehicle, there is roof material waiting.

Kris, if you want to have a look at mine, we are both in Ottawa.

[KrisHamilton]

well unfortunately i got roped into driving to a sugar bush for maple syrup and pancakes tomorrow with the inlaws.. boo
the next weekend im a free man i will drop by.

Terry, sounds like a solid tent you have there.. i just need something for 1 year max while i work on turning my carport into a garage...
i have no idea as to how long it will take me to finish closing it in.
i work full time and have a roofing company on the side.. its going to be a busy summer indeed.

[Bob Carriere]

Terry is right they do cook off in the Sun..... the better Shelter Logic seem to last longer.

At the barn we usually cover the roof section, even of a new one, with a sacrificial silver tarp from Princess Auto..... some of our tents have 3 layers of sacrificail tarp....... when one starts to rip away we have spares tocover it up....usually occurs in cold weather so we do not bother removeing the old one. some of our winter shelters are 5 or 6 years old.

Bob

[Phil Waterman]

Hi All

The conversation about storage for CMPs got me thinking about how my HUP live for the first 5 years I owned and drove it. Under a tarp, not how I would do it today but what worked at the time. Continued carry the tarp to this day on rally trips as a way of protecting inside of the HUP in very heavy rain. (Hopefully after the overhaul the roof won't leak) The canvas is a heavy cotton canvas that after all these years is still waterproof. Though it has many stitched up tears. The canvas sitting on the body does tend to wear the paint though.

But though people would get a kick out of the pictures, the Halloween photos of the kids is kind of an indication of how much part of the family Beast is.

For a good many years we went camping in BEAST like this with plywood section cut to create a bed area in the back and foam mattress. This was before we up graded our camping to the back of Beauty.

[Stuart Fedak]

Originally Posted by Bob Carriere

Come on over in the afternoon...... after 1 pm is best.....Bob

Bob, Thanks for the invite. As you know, it was a wonderful day in the Ottawa Valley region. Louise and I took the Bombardier Iltis for a 3.5 hour cruise along the Rideau River system. First out to Kemptville, to pick up some fish & chips. Then off to Lock 17 along the Rideau system for lunch at a picnic table. Then a slow cruise along the Rideau to Merrickville. We drove past Gilles' new digs (waved on the way going by... I saw his dog Buddy/Zac), then off to Smiths Falls. Up Highway 15 to FrankTown, then back to Ottawa via Richmond. The Iltis is running well on the highway. We had both doors off, and had the window rear rolled up.

I have temporarily put in some VW seats, while I work on the original seats in the Iltis. Those VW Jetta seats are sure more comfortable than the 27 year old foam in the original seats. I think I will use them more often for long drives..........

I am making my list for restoration on the Iltis this summer. A few systems to inspect. Over the past few years I have done a lot of work (except body work) on the Iltis. Mostly mechanical issues. The Iltis runs well, and seems to do best in the 80 - 90 km/hr range. It still has some power left, but I prefer to drive on secondary roads. I have done a few trips at 100 km/hr while pulling the M101 CDN2 trailer, but it did not seem comfortable. So I will stick to secondary roads.....

I will make it to the barn to see your progress. In the summer I also need to cut some steel sheets for welding purposes, and would like to use your shear and brake. I just have a 12 inch hand shear and a small hand brake......

Perhaps we have an early start to the garage work this year. But it also means an early start to the yard/garden work as well.........

Cheers!
Stuart