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Old 06-12-05, 00:04
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Default Vickers Carden Loyd Light Tank Model 1933 and 1936 - differences?

I´m trying to establish the differences between the

Vickers Carden Loyd Light Tank Model 1933:

Fin-CardenLoyd-M1933.jpg
http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...Loyd-M1933.jpg

and Model 1936 "Dutchman":

GB-LightTankModel1936.jpg
http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...kModel1936.jpg

As far as I can see only the bogies and turret differ.

What is more than meets the eye?

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Hi Hanno, Can't help with the differences but I can at least provide an additional photo.

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Old 06-12-05, 11:35
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I can at least provide an additional photo.
Clive,

According to my info, this is a Light Tank Mark 1A4E6: "Considered a real improvement over the earlier Mark 1, the RTC began using this vehicle in October, 1930. Test models for this series were numbered A4E6 to A4E10. India investigated this series and later placed an order for a light tank of their own specifications."

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Old 06-12-05, 14:05
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Here is a photo of a Vickers light tank undergoing beach landing exercises. Turret appears to be a wooden mock-up !
I have no idea which mark it is.

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According to my info, this is a Light Tank Mark 1A4E6
Hanno,
Not my area of expertise but the photo comes from a binder at National Archives, supplied by Brit WO of vehicles in WO Service. The index identifies it as "Mark II Light Tank". Note that it has markings for WVEE (Wheeled Vehicle Experimental Establishment) ignoring the fact that it is tracked and not wheeled, the marking implies that it is a test vehicle and not necessarily 'in service' yet. Other photos from this binder have been posted in the British Empire Staff Car thread.
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Default Re: Vickers Carden Loyd Light Tank Model 1933 and 1936 - differences?

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What is more than meets the eye?
Hi Hanno;

- the "Dutchman" had a simpler hull shape and was re-shaped at the rear to give more room internally.

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Old 07-12-05, 09:54
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Here is a photo of a Vickers light tank undergoing beach landing exercises. Turret appears to be a wooden mock-up !
Thanks Alan. It is a Mark II, which used the same hull as the Mark IA. This is obviously one of the experimental models of the series which were numbered A4E13 to A4E15.
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the photo comes from a binder at National Archives, supplied by Brit WO of vehicles in WO Service. The index identifies it as "Mark II Light Tank"
Thanks for sharing this excellent shot.

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Old 07-12-05, 10:12
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the "Dutchman" had a simpler hull shape and was re-shaped at the rear to give more room internally.
Hi Mark,

Could you please elaborate on that? Indeed the commercial Models 1933, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1938 were based on the Light Tank Mark I and II but indeed with simpler, roomier hull shapes. But as far as I can tell all of the commercial models were basically the same, only differing in suspension systems, turret shape and armament.

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Model 1936 "Dutchman" T16689 in Britsh use:
GB-Vickers-Dutchmen1.jpg
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Old 11-12-05, 22:55
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Vickers Carden Loyd Light Tank Model 1933:
Superbly restored Model 1933 at Thun, Switserland. Picture courtesy of Esa Muikku.

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Hi Hanno
Headlights and whatever that cylinder is to the front of the exhaust system.
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Headlights and whatever that cylinder is to the front of the exhaust system.
and of course they don't have a supurbly restored instrument panel by salesman Bob :

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Old 19-12-05, 00:36
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See http://gallery.vondur.net/v/industri...02165.jpg.html for a picture of another survivor, in this case one of eighteen Vickers 4-ton tanks purchased in 1935 by Latvia. This one is one of six cannon-armed M1937, which were not delivered until 1938. This was the only survivor of the Soviet takeover of 1940 and the "Great Patriotic War" (WW2). Today it is resting at Kubinka tank museum where a sign tells that it's a "Latvian export tank".

I've added the picture for future reference, since the owner of the http://vondur.net decided to remove his entire Tank Museum album from his website.

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See http://gallery.vondur.net/v/industri...02165.jpg.html for a picture of another survivor, in this case one of eighteen Vickers 4-ton tanks purchased in 1935 by Latvia. This one is one of six cannon-armed M1937, which were not delivered until 1938. This was the only survivor of the Soviet takeover of 1940 and the "Great Patriotic War" (WW2). Today it is resting at Kubinka tank museum where a sign tells that it's a "Latvian export tank".
Sole survivor of the Latvian order, “No. 204” then & now:

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I just discovered this 6 year old topic. The Swiss also used these little tanks (called Panzerwagen 34/35), 6 in total, numbers M+7304 to M+7309. Looking at the period pics I got, they were 1 x model 1933 and 5 x modell 1934. See my blog for some more info in German. And here some technical information. These tanks were put of of service in 1948 and I think two survived.

Before we got the Vickers tanks, we aquired in 1931 two Carden-Loyd Mark VI (numbers M+0206 and M+0207).

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Old 17-03-12, 23:52
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... and watch out for the AFV Weapons Profile No 5 "Light Tanks Marks I - VI"
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Hi Hanno,
By chance a while back I purchased a copy of the "Handbook for Light Tanks Mks II - VI"
A re-print published by MLRS.
Quite informative, but brief descriptions, some drawings etc.

MkII, IIA, IIB and III had Rolls Royce 6 cyl engines.

MkIV, V, VI, VIA and VIB Meadows 6 cyl engines.

Changes were mainly:
  • Engine
  • Suspension
  • Turret type (armament on the VIC)
  • Fuel tank arrangement
  • Cooling arrangement
Construction, though basically similar, the type of construction differed in the way hulls were rivetted. Possibly for cost !!!

Contact me, and I can scan various sections.

My reason for buying it was to get more info on the engine, however, not as much as I thought, so I am still after photo's of a Meadows engine and drive unit, out of the vehicle.

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Old 18-03-12, 21:12
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My reason for buying it was to get more info on the engine, however, not as much as I thought, so I am still after photo's of a Meadows engine and drive unit, out of the vehicle.
George,

I know what you mean. Even though Meadows in its day was a well known engine manufacturer, it is strange not much information about them is available.

A few quotes from these web pages:The last two pages listed show some pictures, although I have no idea if these were even remotely connected to the engine used in the Vickers tanks.

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Old 18-03-12, 21:27
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... thanks Hanno. Problem already solved. I supplied George with some pics of the Meadows engine and drive train.

greetings
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Old 18-03-12, 20:43
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Looking at the period pics I got, they were 1 x model 1933 and 5 x modell 1934.
Chris,

Thansk for the info. Did know the Swiss had some, now learned they were different models.

Great blog and thanks for the link to the Profile publication.
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