MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Carrier Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-08-21, 22:42
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default Wartime T16 pictures (#2)

We used to have a thread "Wartime T16 pictures", but this seems to have gone missing. So here is another try.

First read A brief history of the T-16 Carrier on my website for background info. I wrote this article for Geoff W-B's The Carrier Platoon web site (now defunct) where it was originally published in 2001.

In 2004, I added the page The T-16 Carrier in use with the Canadian Army to my website.

Name:  TCP.png
Views: 524
Size:  48.0 KB
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-08-21, 22:46
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

T16 Universal Carrier towing a 6-pdr. AT gun. Support Company of the Royal Hamilton Infantry, Zuid-Beveland, 27-Oct-1944

Click image for larger version

Name:	98182114_1138910643112809_3205661326563082240_n.jpg
Views:	20
Size:	177.8 KB
ID:	123963
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-08-21, 22:47
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

Dutch civilians swarm over carriers of the Eighth Recce Unit in welcome as the Canadians move into a village near Beveland Canal. (Zuid-Beveland).
This photo was made at Wolphaartsdijk, 30 October 1944. I cannot see if these are T16 Carriers, but they are towing 6-pdr AT guns.

Click image for larger version

Name:	98072894_1138907309779809_4027714781367500800_n.jpg
Views:	11
Size:	189.2 KB
ID:	123964
Source: https://beeldbankwo2.nl/en/imagebank...7-435755e36040
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-08-21, 22:48
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

T16 Universal Carrier of the Royal Hamilton Light Infantry at the Bossestraat road, Woensdrecht, The Netherlands, 16 October 1944.

Click image for larger version

Name:	94830940_1118040791866461_3838239868152971264_n.jpg
Views:	9
Size:	278.2 KB
ID:	123965
Source: https://www.saak.nl/battlefield%20to...recht%20nl.htm
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-08-21, 22:49
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

T16 in service in the Far East, possibly Burma?

Click image for larger version

Name:	230432613_1224901211298041_387992561966398237_n.jpg
Views:	8
Size:	559.1 KB
ID:	123966
Source: https://www.facebook.com/media/set?v...24903661297796
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-08-21, 23:27
edstorey edstorey is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Nepean
Posts: 204
Default T16 Carriers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra View Post
Dutch civilians swarm over carriers of the Eighth Recce Unit in welcome as the Canadians move into a village near Beveland Canal. (Zuid-Beveland).
This photo was made at Wolphaartsdijk, 30 October 1944. I cannot see if these are T16 Carriers, but they are towing 6-pdr AT guns.

Attachment 123964
Source: https://beeldbankwo2.nl/en/imagebank...7-435755e36040
I suspect that the photograph is of infantry carriers as a reconnaissance regiment would not have had towed anti-tank guns in its establishment.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-08-21, 03:25
Jordan Baker's Avatar
Jordan Baker Jordan Baker is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,991
Default

Here are some more collected from the internet over the years.

The picture with the crew sitting on the 6pdr is from the same set of vehicles as in your post #2
Attached Thumbnails
CBA073AA-D843-4F99-ADC5-5BB08D06F2A3.jpeg   9AEB108E-22FD-4358-8201-2952F2089B1C.jpeg   62311E8A-FFEF-488B-945C-AC07ED5A0DFB.jpeg  
__________________
Jordan Baker
RHLI Museum,
Otter LRC
C15A-Wire3, 1944
Willys MB, 1942
10cwt Canadian trailer
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-08-21, 03:28
Jordan Baker's Avatar
Jordan Baker Jordan Baker is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,991
Default

Another one from the end of the war.
Attached Thumbnails
2883ED01-1BBC-4CB1-8630-BC233EF3060F.jpeg  
__________________
Jordan Baker
RHLI Museum,
Otter LRC
C15A-Wire3, 1944
Willys MB, 1942
10cwt Canadian trailer
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-08-21, 03:36
Jordan Baker's Avatar
Jordan Baker Jordan Baker is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,991
Default

Another RHLI T16
Attached Thumbnails
C306A419-7272-47EB-B1FA-0AA727B65972.jpeg  
__________________
Jordan Baker
RHLI Museum,
Otter LRC
C15A-Wire3, 1944
Willys MB, 1942
10cwt Canadian trailer
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-08-21, 03:37
Jordan Baker's Avatar
Jordan Baker Jordan Baker is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,991
Default

From Canadian National Archives.
Attached Thumbnails
35748333-6F23-4BE9-B729-47295C4E56E7.jpeg   3F64EDAC-1170-4CF5-9D57-BE5B872F7610.jpeg   353DD30D-8CFF-43C5-80CC-A4A093132CCE.jpeg  
__________________
Jordan Baker
RHLI Museum,
Otter LRC
C15A-Wire3, 1944
Willys MB, 1942
10cwt Canadian trailer
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-08-21, 03:39
Jordan Baker's Avatar
Jordan Baker Jordan Baker is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,991
Default

Collected from internet
Attached Thumbnails
77416A1B-0543-4109-A9F0-1E47BE0C305A.jpeg   735EA7ED-B97D-42B2-8FBD-F13D6DFD72EC.jpg   057DE486-8C62-43CC-A750-8C92160047C5.jpg   716F9238-B6B5-4F52-B62C-2D41903EEC26.jpeg   48E67CC6-680F-4036-8E20-F4AAD11A5EAD.jpeg  

__________________
Jordan Baker
RHLI Museum,
Otter LRC
C15A-Wire3, 1944
Willys MB, 1942
10cwt Canadian trailer
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-08-21, 03:42
Jordan Baker's Avatar
Jordan Baker Jordan Baker is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,991
Default

A few more in this thread

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=17978
__________________
Jordan Baker
RHLI Museum,
Otter LRC
C15A-Wire3, 1944
Willys MB, 1942
10cwt Canadian trailer
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-08-21, 10:05
Neil Ashley Neil Ashley is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Trowbridge, England
Posts: 747
Default

Have any new pictures been found showing British Army use in NW Europe or just Canadian Army which is the normal assumption?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 21-11-21, 21:12
Alan McGuinness Alan McGuinness is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: England
Posts: 100
Default

What appears to be a T16 appears here at about 33:30. Does anyone recognise the location?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oabLWG2FDM
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 22-11-21, 08:03
Ron Pier's Avatar
Ron Pier Ron Pier is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Poole. UK
Posts: 1,251
Default

Well the commentary says nijmegen. Ron
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 22-11-21, 09:01
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan McGuinness View Post
What appears to be a T16 appears here at about 33:30. Does anyone recognise the location?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oabLWG2FDM
As Ron said, it’s in Nijmegen according to the commentary. Problem with this type of documentary is that one can never be sure if they use actual footage of the fights or battles they describe.

Click image for larger version

Name:	D89E498F-4324-42D1-89DC-DDABCCFE6AE9.jpeg
Views:	6
Size:	126.8 KB
ID:	126048
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 23-11-21, 17:19
Alex van de Wetering Alex van de Wetering is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hoofddorp, The Netherlands
Posts: 2,665
Default

Quote:
As Ron said, it’s in Nijmegen according to the commentary. Problem with this type of documentary is that one can never be sure if they use actual footage of the fights or battles they describe.
The Church and statue in the background should help in narrowing it down.....but no luck yet!

Is that an airborne 6 pounder that shows to the left of the carrier and 6 pdr?
__________________
Chevrolet C8 cab 11 FFW
BSA Folding Bicycle
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 19-12-21, 10:07
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

See the T16(?) on the left.

Kervenheim, Germany, 3 March 1945.

© IWM B 15076, Sergeant Hutchinson

Click image for larger version

Name:	B15076.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	127.8 KB
ID:	126622
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 19-12-21, 12:08
Jakko Westerbeke Jakko Westerbeke is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 275
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra View Post
Interesting Jeep too.

Also, the YouTube video linked to above, with the church and statue in the background, is no longer available
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 19-12-21, 14:59
Keith Brooker's Avatar
Keith Brooker Keith Brooker is offline
Morris C8
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Portugal
Posts: 280
Default

Here is a T16 that is a one off. Original ww2 document from my collection.
There are more photos in the document.
Attached Thumbnails
bren carrier report (2018_01_13 18_51_57 UTC).jpg   bren carrier report 2 (2018_01_13 18_51_57 UTC).jpg   extra long Carrier kb.jpg  
__________________
Keith
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 20-12-21, 14:00
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default not a T16 but a Windsor Carrier

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra View Post
See the T16(?) on the left.

Kervenheim, Germany, 3 March 1945.
On closer inspection of the photo and with guidance from an expert, the conclusion is this is not a T16 but a Windsor Carrier in service with "troops with the 11th Armoured Division moving off".

Click image for larger version

Name:	B15076 cropped.jpg
Views:	1
Size:	59.7 KB
ID:	126623

The Carrier in the photo has the first style sand shields and 6pdr blast shield folding mounting arms, so it is definitely a Windsor. No T16s were used by British units during WW2 in NWE.

Click image for larger version

Name:	264517098_984995502231039_7242197749310550184_n.jpg
Views:	6
Size:	409.6 KB
ID:	126624

Click image for larger version

Name:	263083615_597372968203357_6312630834248025461_n.jpg
Views:	5
Size:	521.7 KB
ID:	126626 Click image for larger version

Name:	264758254_3115753238744648_1774257818617563060_n.jpg
Views:	8
Size:	475.7 KB
ID:	126625

Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 20-12-21 at 20:56. Reason: added photos and info
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 21-12-21, 03:55
Michael R. Michael R. is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,152
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Ashley View Post
Have any new pictures been found showing British Army use in NW Europe or just Canadian Army which is the normal assumption?
Neil,
have any pictures been found showing British army use of T.16 carriers in NW Europe during WWII?
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 21-12-21, 06:14
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hammond, Ontario
Posts: 5,179
Default More questions......

How was the "blast shield" used......?

...and can we see more pictures of that weird looking T16 with the mud tracks?????? Loved reading the description of how it was electrically powered form a separate trailer....!!! and tested in 1938????

Cheers
__________________
Bob Carriere....B.T.B
C15a Cab 11
Hammond, Ontario
Canada
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 21-12-21, 12:04
Jakko Westerbeke Jakko Westerbeke is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 275
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Carriere View Post
How was the "blast shield" used......?
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 21-12-21, 12:25
Keith Brooker's Avatar
Keith Brooker Keith Brooker is offline
Morris C8
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Portugal
Posts: 280
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Carriere View Post
How was the "blast shield" used......?

...and can we see more pictures of that weird looking T16 with the mud tracks?????? Loved reading the description of how it was electrically powered form a separate trailer....!!! and tested in 1938????

Cheers
Hi Bob,
The electrically powered T16 carrier was made in Aug 1944 and had a max speed of 21mph.
The report has 51 pages with photos and diagrams, part of the report is in Nigel Watson book Universal Carriers Vol 3
Attached Thumbnails
T 16 carrier front cover.JPG   T16 carrier report.JPG   bren carrier T16 kb.jpg   bren carrier 4e kb.jpg   bren carrier T16 inside kb.jpg  

__________________
Keith
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 21-12-21, 13:09
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith Brooker View Post
Here is a T16 that is a one off. Original ww2 document from my collection.
There are more photos in the document.
I've read about his T16 with electric drive, interesting stuff.
(Maybe we should we call it the Tesla-16? )
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 21-12-21, 15:17
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default T16 t-94950

T16 T94950 with an interesting field modification. This photo was made during the Memorial D-Day Parade at the Potterstraat street in Utrecht in June 1945. All the men and their equipment were clearly polished up for this event. During wartime service no doubt the rack fitted on the front glacis would be stowed to the brim with the crew's belongings.

If I identintified this correctly, this T16 belonged to The Highland Light Infantry of Canada (white 67 on brown) of the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division (gold maple leaf on French-grey) - ref. https://canadiansoldiers.com/vehicle...antryunits.htm

Click image for larger version

Name:	X100158 - D129_resized.jpg
Views:	9
Size:	711.9 KB
ID:	126636 Name:  unit67brown.gif
Views: 291
Size:  961 Bytes Name:  3divmini.gif
Views: 288
Size:  6.6 KB

Source: J.P. Hogeweg, via Het Utrechts Archief - https://hetutrechtsarchief.nl/beeld/...513DC7A1FB114E
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 22-12-21, 06:21
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hammond, Ontario
Posts: 5,179
Default Thanks for the info.....

...on the blast shield....

....and rare photos of that "beast" ..........

Never too late to learn!!!!

Bob C
__________________
Bob Carriere....B.T.B
C15a Cab 11
Hammond, Ontario
Canada
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 22-10-22, 12:36
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default The T16 Universal Carrier in Canadian Service

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra View Post
First read A brief history of the T-16 Carrier on my website for background info. I wrote this article for Geoff W-B's The Carrier Platoon web site (now defunct) where it was originally published in 2001.

In 2004, I added the page The T-16 Carrier in use with the Canadian Army to my website.
Jason Ginn is a member of MLU Forum and obviously gleaned some of the info off here. And good to see my website quoted on his webpage, which took the research into this subject one step further:

https://canadianarmsandarmour.ca/the...adian-service/
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 09-02-23, 10:29
Hanno Spoelstra's Avatar
Hanno Spoelstra Hanno Spoelstra is offline
MLU Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 14,385
Default

T16 towing a 6-pdr AT gun, Rue du Général Moulin at Caen - read more here: https://flic.kr/p/MCG2XP

Click image for larger version

Name:	29951259497_920dccb824_k.jpg
Views:	4
Size:	836.8 KB
ID:	132746
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wartime pictures: Ford/Marmon-Herrington SnoGo Stuart Kirkham The Softskin Forum 5 16-08-21 14:26
Wartime pictures: 20-cwt trailers Hanno Spoelstra The Softskin Forum 43 09-05-21 09:27
Wartime pictures: CMP FAT, NW Europe Hanno Spoelstra The Softskin Forum 40 29-09-20 23:22
Wartime pictures wanted: CMP F15A Hanno Spoelstra The Softskin Forum 80 01-12-19 18:24
Wartime Lynx pictures? James Gosling The Armour Forum 4 17-06-15 03:55


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016