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Old 16-01-11, 21:16
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Default Egypt / LRDG Patrol Truck Wreck

After a fairly long absence, again something historical from my side if you like:

The only known LRDG patrol truck in Egypt sitting on the old route from Ain Dalla to Big Cairn. I had the chance to write a small article in a UK magazine's February '11 issue. Nice truck:




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Old 16-01-11, 21:33
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Wow, its amazing how well things stay so preserved in the desert. Other pics I have seen looks like constant sand blasting so rust can't get a chance to start.
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Old 16-01-11, 23:23
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Kuno,

Is that an F30S or an F60L? The tyre looks like a 10.50x16 sand tyre.

It is certainly an early Cab 11, with the lifting rings behind the bumper bar.

I have an early F30S Cab 11 with Chevrolet diffs here.

You have shown this one before, but it is a great artifact of WW11.

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Old 16-01-11, 23:26
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It's an F30. And I have not shown it before as far as I know...
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Old 17-01-11, 00:26
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Maybe on a different forum.
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Old 18-01-11, 16:04
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Nice find, Kuno!

Here are two more pictures found on the internet somewhere, reportedly taken in Egypt. Do you recognise them?

Here's hoping David H. can tell us more about L4629081.

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Old 19-01-11, 10:35
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That's a Mid-East theatre number I think. I am guessing, after a bit of detective work, that it's a # 12 cab model EC01QF F60L deilvered to Alexandria under Demand S/M 2019. E.g. L 4713093, as per IWM PHOTO KID 2453 which had sand tyres.
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Old 19-01-11, 16:40
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Hanno; I can confirm that the two above shown wrecks are lying in Egypt. I personally have not seen them yet...

...but would definitely like to.

Unfortunately, desert-travelling becomes more and more difficult these days. For Egypt, you do not only have to take a military officer wth you, as it was in recet years but - depending on where you want to go- between 4 and 8 additional armed policemen with two additional trucks and two additional drivers. These are definitely not conditions I am used to have and even want to have :-(.
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Old 20-01-11, 23:35
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A F30 is a F30. It's the F60 that is a L or S. Long has 12' body and short is a F30 with higher spring rating. The 11 Cab F30, as found by Kuno, had Marmon Harrington axles (i.e. Banjo)
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Kuno,

Is that an F30S or an F60L? The tyre looks like a 10.50x16 sand tyre.

It is certainly an early Cab 11, with the lifting rings behind the bumper bar.

I have an early F30S Cab 11 with Chevrolet diffs here.

You have shown this one before, but it is a great artifact of WW11.

Regards Rick.

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Old 20-01-11, 23:55
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Just by co-incidence I received a set of photos blown up to A4 this week. They came via a SAS man and an ex LRDG navigator. They show oil workers in 1979 digging out a complete LRDG F30 patrol truck in fantastic complete condition. It had a full set of tilt irons on the body. The serial number on the tail board was 4406114 which puts it among the LRDG trucks delivered to them in 1941. The remaining colour scheme was of a splinter pattern as used by the Yeomanry patrol. The shadow on the photos shows that the truck was heading west when it was abandoned with steering problems. I hope to get a location shortly. On studying these shots and Kuno's the damage appears to be very similar on the wing and bumper. 154 army forms were found on the truck and 94 names have been identified as LRDG men.
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Old 21-01-11, 08:26
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The serial number on the tail board was 4406114 which puts it among the LRDG trucks delivered to them in 1941.
Probably in the batch delivered under S/M 2003 direct to Alexandria.
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Old 21-01-11, 08:28
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Is that an F30S or an F60L?
The F30S and C30S designations were used it seems for the 1940 Models...it appears that after it became clear that no lwb versions would be ordered, they dropped the S suffix. I have yet to see any official paperwork on that though.
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Old 06-02-11, 13:47
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It is certainly an early Cab 11, with the lifting rings behind the bumper bar.
Yes, and the absence of the cab vent holes on the inner cowl.

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it was abandoned with steering problems
Could well the the same one than! I would love to see the "old" pics.

Kuno, I read your article in the Military machines issue and it was very interesting to read. It is however sad to see that the V8 was only recently removed from the truck.....sad.

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Old 06-02-11, 14:30
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If it was, as suspected, a S/M 2003 delivery direct to Alexandria for assembly [starting December 1940] then it would have been a 1941 MODEL but an early-style # 11 cab. It is therefore a remarkable survivor.
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Old 07-02-11, 01:08
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Unfortunately, desert-travelling becomes more and more difficult these days. For Egypt, you do not only have to take a military officer wth you, as it was in recet years but - depending on where you want to go- between 4 and 8 additional armed policemen with two additional trucks and two additional drivers. These are definitely not conditions I am used to have and even want to have :-(.
This was posted only a couple of weeks ago, when Egypt was a much calmer place. I wonder what the rules for desert travel would be today, or for the forseeable future?
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Old 07-02-11, 07:08
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...I was very lucky that I took the chance to visit Egypt and Tunisia in autumn last year...
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Old 07-02-11, 07:49
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Maybe its a good time for a clandestine border raid while they are all buzy throwing rocks at each other. I'll hold the gate open for you all when you get back.
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Old 15-02-11, 23:37
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Been speaking to the son of Y patrol veteran and he is certain that Kuno's Ford is the same one that the oil workers pulled out. He says that there were nearly 200 Army Forms on board and he has now identified about 150 as LRDG men. Hope to get a couple of photos posted.
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Old 16-02-11, 01:11
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Paul,

That is exciting news. Were the photos in colour or B/W?

Cheers,
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Old 02-03-11, 10:42
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Excellent stuff Kuno, Paul et al. Keep up the good work

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Old 06-03-11, 18:50
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wow how intriquing. i wonder how many times the truck has been buried and unburied over the years by the sand?

i seem to recall a ww2 truckwas located and recovered by the egyptian or Libyan (?) military a few years ago (10?) and was put on display.
I think it was a cmp but cannot remember.

-I believe the story was that they theorized it was a supply truck that got lost in the desert.. lots of empty food cartons lying around it.. possibly two men aboard- lost/died in the desert? the sands blew over it and covered it for decades till the sands blew off it. Allegedly in perfect condition

I also seem to recall they claimed they put a new battery and fuel in and were able to drive it out (although frankly I kinda doubt that) I also remember seeing photos of it on display but cannot locate them now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45052443@N00/5227780594/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45052443@N00/5227185397/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45052443@N00/5187665689/
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Old 08-03-11, 06:52
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Yes Mark the Cmp was a ford and is the one on display at Al Elimain museum on a plinth
I think it was repainted,and that it was the French who found it.
Some where i have the news paper clipping on it.
I wonder what else lies buried in the sand?.
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Old 08-03-11, 10:53
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What about this one in the Imperial War Museum, London?
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Old 11-08-19, 15:36
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Read more about this F30 here:

http://www.jebelsherif.org/index.php?article_id=360
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Old 14-08-19, 00:19
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Also a thread in German: https://www.wuestenschiff.de/phpbb/a...ck-t44835.html

All in all a fascinating account about the discovery of this LRDG 30cwt CMP 4x4 F30 Ford (L4406114), found in 1975, that raises as many questions as it answers given the LRDG's reputation for rarely leaving a vehicle behind.

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