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Old 13-02-16, 17:47
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Default Truck, 15-cwt, 4x2, A.A.

This thread is to gather information about the Truck, 15-cwt, 4x2, A.A.


From: http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net/20_mm_aa_guns.htm

Page from British Data Book (reprint) showing the CMP portee with gun mount, but no gun.

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Page from the AEDB Design Record showing a Canadian Military Pattern 20mm AA 15 Cwt Cab 13 truck under test (thus the "EE" on the door) probably the prototype:

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A 20mm gun mounted on a Universal Mounting on the back of a CMP 15 Cwt, War Department number Z 5194984. Photo - Andy Morgan

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A 20mm gun, possibly the same one as shown above, shown deployed on the ground. Photo - Andy Morgan

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Old 13-02-16, 17:56
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Pictures of the single 4x4 prototype - production models were on 4x2 C15, F15 and Bedford MW chassis only.

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Old 13-02-16, 17:58
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Details of Body 2L1.

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Old 13-02-16, 17:59
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Deploying the gun:

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Old 13-02-16, 18:02
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See Unique 1943 Canadian Ford F15(AA) for pictures of the only restored example in the world.

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Old 13-02-16, 18:02
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See C15 4x2 for pictures of an unrestored and still very original C15, albeit without the Polsten gun.

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Old 13-02-16, 18:12
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They were used operationally in NW Europe, although after the Allies gained air superiority, the trucks were relegated to other duties.

Pic below was taken on 08 Jun 1944 On a Normandy beach. Reportedly the unit which used them was the 15th (Isle of Man) Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment.

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Old 13-02-16, 18:18
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Bedford MW version of this truck:

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Old 20-02-16, 23:06
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Default Bedford 20mm

Hello Hanno,

I can add a little information about the Bedford variant, for what it's worth. There were only 250 made. I found this photocopy in the box of Bedford contract cards at bovington tank museum.

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Does anyone know what book this came from and does anyone have a copy?

and the contract card for 200.

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Old 18-12-18, 04:32
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At the 1:40 mark.

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1060019646


At the 1:18 mark

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1060019647
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Old 18-12-18, 10:28
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Great find, Jordan - thanks!

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"A 119th LAA Regiment RA Morris Bofors self-propelled gun leads a column of troop-carrying CMP trucks through the deserted and derelict town of Caumont. "

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"A Morris Bofors self-propelled gun and two Canadian military-pattern tracks armed with Oerlikon 20mm cannons, all probably from 119th LAA Regiment RA, drive through the ruined town of Caumont followed by other 8th Corps military traffic."


Both these films were shot at the same location and they both show the same pair of 4x2 AA trucks.

This is new footage to me and the first time I saw them actually moving!

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Old 19-12-18, 23:16
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Thanks Jordan,
As Hanno said, it's the first time I have seen these rare conversions actually on the move, both of them are Ford F15's, towing 10 cwt trailers
Great find
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Old 09-08-19, 22:23
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Default 20mm Portee in use in Italy

A C15A chassis by the look of it. Hanno thinks the body and gun were transferred from a 4x2 chassis. Canadian Army Photo
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Old 10-08-19, 00:07
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The platform is different. Check out the are above the wheels.
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Old 10-08-19, 00:22
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Thanks Steve. Actually, after looking at it again, I see a cut-down and modified steel 15-cwt body. Probably a 2C1.

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