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Old 05-01-18, 06:22
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Background:

A few years ago I decided that I wanted to acquire a Cooker, Portable, No. 2 (J2/JA 0275 Consisting of Pot, cooking; stove; and strap) to fill the tray on the left fuel tank of a Mark 1* Universal Carrier.* This lead to an Internet search for information and images to determine exactly what I was looking for.* I was somewhat frustrated at the time because there seemed to be a lack of concrete evidence on when the various models were introduced and despite being able to find countless images and opinions of British produced stoves (and some images of Australian stoves) I could find no information about any Canadian production.

Armed with the information that I could find at the time, I purchased the earliest example of a British Cooker, Portable, No. 2 (Mark 2) Stove that I could find although I wasn't completely content that the Stoves, Mark 2 were produced during the war.* Later, I had the opportunity to obtain a 1942 dated Stove, Mark 1 and I jumped at the opportunity to have one that was definitely used during the war.* Still later I found another 1942 dated Stove, Mark 1 which was in much better condition than the first.* Along the way I obtained a 1944 dated Pot, cooking, with lid.* I also obtained a post-war dated Cooker, Portable, No. 2 Mark 2 complete for parts.

About 8 months ago I discovered that I could access many Canadian war-time files on-line but didn't pursue an in-depth study of the information on Petrol Cookers.

About 2 months ago I spotted a stove for sale on kijiji which completely changed my point of view on Canadian use and production of Cookers, Portable, No. 2 and prompted me to completely review all of the available information.

I absolutely do not have all of the answers regarding these cookers but I have found some very interesting information that I think will help expand the knowledge base of Militaria/Military Vehicle collectors.
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Old 05-01-18, 06:25
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(British) Cookers, Portable, No. 2 - A very brief history

The Cookers, Portable, No. 2 appear to have started life as a commercial product of the Turley and Williams Company.* See this link:* https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/turley-williams-safety-junior-portable-stove-patent-late-1930s.28481/#post-290546<https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/turley-williams-safety-junior-portable-stove-patent-late-1930s.28481/>


It is described in the 1939 Vocabulary of Army Ordnance Stores, Section J2, Portable Cookers and Cooking Equipment which can be downloaded at this link: http://www.essexhmva.co.uk/education...%20Cookers.pdf


In the British and Commonwealth Armies the majority of food was prepared in bulk by the unit cooks and then either served to the troops at the food preparation area or distributed in insulated containers.* However, this arrangement was not always suitable for the crews of Tanks, AFVs, Universal Carriers, or other personnel who could be detached a considerable distance from the unit so they were provided with the Cookers, Portable, No 2, so they could prepare their own meals when required.
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Old 05-01-18, 06:26
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The problem that emerged with the existing cookers

All of the main types of British Cookers (including No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3) appear to have been satisfactory items from prior to Jul 1939 (the publication date of the above V.A.O.S) until the fall of 1942 when their continued use was upset by the decision to supply M.T. 80 Leaded Petrol.

It was quickly learned that the existing cookers were not suitable for use with leaded petrol and all of them either had to be modified or completely re-designed so that they could function properly.


War Office Letter 57/General/1926/O.S.9. dated 17 Mar 1943

Cookers, Portable and Leaded Petrol

"M.T 80 petrol, which contains lead, is now being adopted as the motor spirit for all purposes and is likely to be in general distribution by the middle of April.* From then onward this leaded petrol will be the only grade readily available.

Cookers, Portable, Nos. 1, 2 and 3 will not function satisfactorily on petrol containing a high tetra-ethyl-lead content unless special cleaning and adjustment take place to remedy the effect of the lead.

The remedy is to prevent the petrol in the cooker burner from exceeding a temperature of 600 degrees F, above which the tetra-ethyl-lead becomes decomposed and is deposited as a solid which rapidly chokes jets, etc...."
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Old 05-01-18, 06:30
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Modifications to the Cookers, Portable, No. 2 (Mark 1) Stoves:

There was an immediate necessity to derive and issue a field modification for the existing cookers to minimize the damage while a long term solution could be developed.

Information regarding the modifications can be derived from the following sources:

1.***** Royal Army Ordnance Corps, Report on Research Work and Experiment, Quarter ending 31 Mar 1943
2.***** War Office Letter 57/General/1926/O.S.9. dated 17 Mar 1943
3.***** Army Council Instructions, 24 November 1943; 1725 Equipment - Cookers, Portable, Nos. 2 and 3 - Improved Modification for Burning Leaded Petrol.
4.***** Investigation of Operation of Cookers, Portable, No.III, Mk.II and No. I (Hydra Type).* 14 Aug 44, from Capt, W.M.Campbell M.E.3.(b). to M.E.3 CMHQ

RAOC Quarterly Report:

Item No:* 96
Objective Requirements:* Cookers, Portable, No. 1, 2 and 3: - Stoves
Research and Experimental items in hand and contemplated:* To prevent choking of the burner jets by ingredients of petrol grade M.T. 80
Progress and Position on 31 March 1943: "A simple metal trough to be filled with fire-clay or other "insulator" has been designed, which can be improvised by the user.* This protects the petrol feed pipes from excessive heat and minimizes precipitation of lead."
Link:* http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/1364?r=3&s=1




War Office Letter 57/General/1926/O.S.9. dated 17 Mar 1943; Cookers, Portable and Leaded Petrol
http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...88/388?r=3&s=2


"....These improvisations must be carried out as soon as leaded fuel is used.* If lead accumulates in the Cookers they will rapidly become unserviceable.* No unit should proceed overseas without making these preparations.* Action should be taken to inform all units by the quickest possible means....New patterns of burner are about to be produced, which will be immune from the effects of leaded fuel, but it is essential that the large number of Cookers in use be protected and kept in service."


Army Council Instructions, 24 November 1943; 1725 Equipment - Cookers, Portable, Nos. 2 and 3 - Improved Modification for Burning Leaded Petrol.
http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...88/385?r=0&s=1


"An improved modification which enables Cookers, portable, Nos 2 and 3 to burn for much longer periods than previously before it becomes necessary to clear lead and carbon deposits from the burner components has been developed....The instructions in War Office Letter 57/General/1926/O.S.9. dated 17th Mar 1943, concerning Cookers, portable, Nos 2 and 3 are hereby cancelled.
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Old 05-01-18, 06:33
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Investigation of Operation of Cookers, Portable, No.III, Mk.II and No. I (Hydra Type).* 14 Aug 44, from Capt, W.M.Campbell M.E.3.(b). to M.E.3 CMHQ

See the full document attached.* It includes a sketch of the modification detailed in Army Council Instructions, 24 November 1943; 1725 Equipment - Cookers, Portable, Nos. 2 and 3 - Improved Modification for Burning Leaded Petrol.

While this report is on the Cookers, Portable No. 3, the burner assemblies on the Nos 2 and 3 are identical aside from the length of the vaporizer tube.

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...88/477?r=0&s=2
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The timeline from design to mass production on the Cookers, Portable, No. 2 (Mark 2) Stoves:

A reasonably complete timeline can be derived from the following sources:

5.***** Royal Army Ordnance Corps, Quarterly Reports on Research Work and Experiment; and
6.***** Chief Inspectorate of Stores - Didcot, Fortnightly reports showing new patterns, etc., under consideration with progress to date.

RAOC Quarterly Reports:

Item No:* 86
Objective Requirements:* Cookers, Portable, No. 2
Research and Experimental items in hand and contemplated:* Re-design

Progress and Position on 31 Dec 1942: "Modified designs have been produced incorporating a simplified burner & adaptation of the cases to retain the reservoirs in position.* Experiments are partially successful and are being continued."* Link:* http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/1370?r=3&s=1

Progress and Position on 31 March 1943: "...Experimental patterns are on trial and reports are awaited." Link:* http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/1363?r=3&s=1

Progress and Position on 30 June 1943: "Modified designs have been approved and supplies ordered."* Link:* http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/1357?r=3&s=1


Chief Inspectorate of Stores - Didcot:

Item No.: 15 (16 for No. 3 Cooker)
Cat No.:* JA 0275 (JA 6483 for No. 3 Cooker)
Designation:* Cookers, Portable No. 2
Requirement:* To re-design to make suitable for leaded petrol
Progress on 2 Oct 1943:* "No 2. - Production held up for want of certain raw materials."
**************************** "No 3. - Production proceeding. 1000 a week expected after 6 Oct 43"
Link:* http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/1819?r=3&s=1


Progress on 16 Oct 1943:* "No. 2 - Production in hand"* Link:* http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/1817?r=3&s=1


Unfortunately the rate of production for the No. 2 Mark 2 is not stated and I have not found any concrete information regarding a date that the Mark 2s got into the hands of the troops.* The following document does seem to indicate that at least some Mark 2 stoves had been issued by 26 Jan 1944

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...88/376?r=0&s=1
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Old 05-01-18, 06:37
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A very brief discussion of Australian production:

I have not purposefully pursued any research on Australian production of Cookers, Portable, No. 2.* In my early research I found some references to them but I didn't save any of the discussion or images.* From the limited data I can recall or can access quickly I believe this is a reasonable summary:

It appears that the A. Simpson & Son of Adelaide, Australia produced cookers based very closely on the British design.* These stoves embossed with Simpson on the lid may have been for a military contract.* Later military stoves have D /l\ D embossed in the same location on the lid.

There was an MLU thread (that I saw recently but I currently cannot find the link) which discussed a modified Australian stove. My recollection of the images showed a stove which retained the original case and detachable fuel tank and substituted an "S"- shaped fuel feed pipe with an attached burner.* This burner appeared very similar to the British design for their Mark 2 stoves. This may have been the Australian solution to the lead problem.

A good set of images of an Australian produced stove can be found here:

https://classiccampstoves.com/thread...y-stove.28594/


If any Australians are interested in contributing to the knowledge base it will be much appreciated.
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Old 05-01-18, 06:38
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A selection of links regarding British Cookers, Portable, No. 2

Other MLU threads:

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=17891

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=23913

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=19901

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ghlight=cooker


Some images from "Portable Cookers Nos. 1, 2, and 3; Operation and Maintenance; The War Office 1945":

http://hmvf.co.uk/topic/10706-ww2-br...and-equipment/
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Old 05-01-18, 06:43
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Canadian Stoves:

As previously stated I was frustrated that I could find no evidence of Canadian produced Cookers, Portable, No. 2 but I have come to believe that the reason I could not find the evidence was because I assumed that the Canadian Cooker would have been based on the British model.* I did not imagine that it would be a substantially different design.

It appears that collectors of Camp Stoves have been aware of these models for some time but the knowledge of them does not seem to be widespread in our Militaria/Military Vehicle community.

Unfortunately I have only been able to find limited evidence online but I believe I have found enough to make a relatively convincing argument to support my claim that the Canadian version of the Cookers, Portable, No. 2 was in fact a Coleman Model 500 Speed Master Stove which was stored inside a cast Aluminum Pot which was based on the British design, and secured by a leather strap which was shorter than the British equivalent.

I will present this evidence in the order that I encountered it:

The first evidence was the April 1943 Stowage Chart for the Ram II tank.* Item number 76 is described as "Cooker Portable No. 2, Pots, Cooking with lid Stove, Strap" but the image only shows the Pot, Cooking with lid and the Strap.* At this point I did not think that Canada might be using something other than the British design stove

The second source of evidence were these 2 images from the Library and Archives of Canada site (copies attached below):

*http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...=e010778901-v8

http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...=e010778902-v8


I could see that the stove was not a British No 2 but I could not make out exactly what it was.* I still didn't start to think that there might be a "Canadian" stove but that maybe the crew was using a privately purchased stove.
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Old 05-01-18, 06:46
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The third piece of evidence that I noticed was the 20th image of original Ram interior photos on this page: http://www.ramtank.ca/ram_interiors.htm* (this image is also in the Ram II Operator's Manual but it is very dark and very small)

Again there is only the pot and strap visible and I thought that maybe the reason why the stowage diagram didn't illustrate the (British) cooker was because there wasn't one available for the artist to draw.* I still did not think that there might be a Canadian cooker.

The kijiji ad was the final piece of the puzzle that caused me to start believing that Canada must have had it's own design of cooker:* (images attached)

I then re-visited all of the previous images and realized that while I thought I was thought seeing a British pot, (Pots cooking, with lid) there is the obvious (once it is pointed out) difference in height.* I also started to think that the reason I could not see a stove in the stowage diagram or stowage picture was that it was actually stowed inside of the pot.
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Old 05-01-18, 06:50
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I had a couple of discussions at the fall OMVA meeting about this topic and it was suggested that maybe all that this proved was that a special stove was issued with the Ram Tanks.* This prompted further investigation.

Jordan Baker identified the Model number as a Coleman 500 Speed Master and provided me with these links:

https://classiccampstoves.com/thread...man-500.19419/

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=107


In the above image of B-squadron XII Manitoba Dragoons, 3 of the tall Canadian pots can be seen in the image and one of the Coleman 500 stoves (with bright plated tank) can be seen in the foreground.

Once the model was known,* google searches revealed a number of other Canadian war-time produced examples.* Some still associated with the original pot set.

http://www.colemancollectorsforum.co...ctures-8382572


http://www.colemancollectorsforum.co...estion-8328895


This link provides a good general article on Coleman 500 production with some details about the military models:

https://classiccampstoves.com/attach...ls-pdf.177113/


Another example is presented at this link:* Unfortunately the linked images are missing but the thumbnails are visible in Google and are attached below. This example has a C-Broad Arrow stamped into the base. http://www.fotogenforum.se/fotogen/p...hp?f=21&t=1026
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The question still remained:* Was this actually a Canadian Cooker, Portable, No. 2 or did it have some different nomenclature?

I believe this document provides the best evidence that the Canadian Cooker, Portable, No. 2 was in fact a Coleman Model 500 Speed Master.

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...88/372?r=0&s=1 (Complete document attached)

Unfortunately there is no indication of a date and the document's purpose is unknown other than it was obviously some sort of inventory.* When I first looked at it I believed I was looking at evidence that Canada had produced parts for the British stoves.* Upon further study I noticed that the parts for the No. 2 Cooker had part numbers within the description and many of those numbers started with 500.

I then found this document online on Coleman Canada's current website: http://s7d1.scene7.com/is/content/Co...EED_MASTER.pdf

Compare the part names and numbers between the war-time inventory and the Coleman parts list.

The military inventory also seems to indicate that the Canadian No. 3 cookers were also a Coleman product (possibly a model 412) as most of the repair parts listed start with the digits 412.

One more interesting point to note about the Coleman Manual is that it appears to have a Canadian Military Document number "10M-11-54" on the cover page.* If this is a Canadian Military number it would represent November 1954.
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Some other supporting documents:

Canada also used the Coleman Model 500 Speed Master as a Dental Stove.* Reports regarding the attempts to modify it to burn on leaded petrol can be found at C-5788 images 301-303, 305-11 and 314

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...88/301?r=0&s=1


Evidence regarding material used for Canadian Pots:

11 February 1943- Issue Order 201427

"Cookers Portable No. 2- Pots Cooking with lids (Cast Aluminium)"

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...4/4311?r=0&s=1 (attached below)
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Did Canada develop or use a stove that was compatible with leaded fuel?

It appears that the immediate Canadian Army Overseas response to the fuel change-over was to start using British produced stoves.* They did however continue to search for a Canadian solution:

Coleman (USA) produced new models for the military (leaded fuel) market including the Models 520 and 523 although I haven't found any evidence that these were produced in Canada.

User manuals for the 520 and 523 can be found at these links:
https://www.oldcolemanparts.com/reso...cans/520_1.htm
https://www.oldcolemanparts.com/reso...cans/523_1.htm


Canada trialed the "Cookers Portable No. 523 Coleman Vehicular Model" in the fall of 1943 as Army Technical Development Board Project Number DOS(GS)-1810.

A limited description can be found in the minutes of the Army Technical Development Board Meeting #6, 5 October 1943, Ottawa:

"This type of Cooker is not as satisfactory as British Cookers Portable Nos. 2 and 3 and has not been adopted."

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...95/773?r=0&s=1

25 Apr 1944 - Canada still investigating possibility of using Canadian made stoves:

"With reference to proposed T.L.G. (Technical Liaison Group) visit to Canada.* Items concerning which the C.I.S Colonel Hidden and the D/C.I.S Lieut. Colonel Cothay request information are listed as follows -

A.****** Stoves - Various burners of the Cookers Portable No. 2 and No. 3 type that are produced and in use in Canada, particularly any types that may be adaptable for burning leaded petrol.* Col Cavey has had one Cooker Portable No. 2 Mk. III and one No. 3 Mk. III forwarded to N.D.H.Q. to compare with Canadian burners....." http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/3346?r=0&s=1

1945 - Canada ordered 400 Model 520s from the US which were apparently delivered before 30 Apr 45.

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...6/4330?r=3&s=2
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Old 05-01-18, 06:57
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What model of cooker is correct for my application?

I realize that the above information has the potential to seriously "heat up the market" for Canadian Coleman Model 500 Speed Master Stoves.* I offer the following thoughts to guide your efforts at obtaining an example.

If you concur with my suggestion that the correct identification of a Canadian Cookers, Portable, No. 2 is in fact the Coleman Model 500 and you own a vehicle that carried one or are involved in living history displays then you might be interested in obtaining an example.* I have not been following the market for long and I have no idea how frequently they appear for sale.

Depending on the time frame you are interested in portraying, the Canadian model may not be correct.* Their use overseas would have been severely curtailed in April 1943 because the burner design was incompatible with the supplied leaded petrol.* There is pictorial evidence of their use during training in England but it appears that they were replaced by British stoves prior to most of the major operations involving Canadians (Dieppe excepted - although I suspect that there was limited opportunity that day to cook lunch).

All of the pictorial evidence that I have been able to find regarding Canadian use of Cookers, Portable, No. 2 in Italy or North West Europe shows either Mark 1 or 2 British stoves and this makes sense because the Mark 1 could be modified, and the Mark 2 was specifically designed, to burn leaded petrol.

http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...opy=a132806-v6


http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...opy=a162681-v6

http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_a...opy=a133978-v6
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Old 05-01-18, 06:58
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The tray in the Mark 1* Universal Carrier.

There have been many discussions about dimensions, and the correct construction of this tray and some have expressed concern that their British Cookers do not fit properly.* In my experience your British Cooker should fit properly in the tray on your Mark 1* Universal Carrier.

Your tray should have the plywood piece (TL 13252 - Base Housing Stores)*in it*which effectively reduces the depth of the lip around the edge and allows the cooker to sit properly.* For both the Mark 1 and 2 Stoves the locator pins for the stand (legs) project above the edge of the tray's lip.

The tray certainly was designed for the Mark 1 Stove but the Mark 2 Stove does fit although it is somewhat*snug.
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The tray in the Sexton

Your tray was very likely manufactured to house the Canadian Cookers, Portable, No. 2.* Montreal Locomotive Works likely had one on hand as they obviously used a Canadian model when they were designing the stowage in the Ram tanks.* Does this mean you need to find one of the Canadian models?* If you are looking to portray a vehicle that is stowed as originally intended at the factory then yes, but if you are looking to portray the stowage as used in operations then no.* The crews likely either had to stow the British cooker in a different location, modify the existing tray or make up some sort of adaptor. If it were my vehicle I would be tempted to make up an adaptor plate (potentially out of plywood with a metal lip) which sat into the recess of the existing tray then had a larger tray mounted on top to accommodate the dimensions of the British Cooker.* If the strap proves to be too short I would simply insert a normal utility (blanket) strap to increase the functional length.

Other Canadian manufactured armoured vehicles

Having had a look through various stowage diagrams I note that for the Lynx and Fox, the Cookers were stowed in bins that also housed other items.* I don't know if the bins had any dividers or brackets in them to specifically locate the Cooker or if the other items packed within the bins helped prevent movement.

The stowage diagram for the Otter does illustrate the Cooker and I think that we are seeing a drawing of the Canadian Cookers, Portable, No. 2 as there is no British style stove illustrated and the pot appears to be tall. (Otter images below)

The stowage diagram for the Windsor Carrier indicates the stove is stowed beside the pot thereby indicating use of the British Cooker.* This does make sense given the later date of design compared to other Canadian produced armoured vehicles.
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How to identify a military Coleman Model 500 Speed Master Stove

The detailed images available at the various Camp Stove Collector forums/sites give a good idea of the correct features for the Military Contract stoves.* The early stoves had nickel plated founts (fuel reservoir) and these are the type that are evident in the war time photos.* At least one example had a C-Broad Arrow stamped into the lower edge.* By 1942 the stoves were painted (Someone might be able to name the correct colour).* It appears that the wind shield is unique to the Canadian Military Stoves.* And certainly all of them will be made in Canada (not USA) and have appropriate wartime dates.* A detail which seems to support my whole theory is that none of the noted dates are after 1943 and this makes sense due to the fact that this style of burner was not compatible with leaded fuel.
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Post-war Canadian use of the Coleman Model 500

The hand-written note at the bottom of this document may be discussing the Coleman 500.* The most noteworthy part is that this 1949 note is the only document I have encountered that mentioned a "Cdn Cookers Portable No 2"

http://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/oo...2/5002?r=0&s=4

Here is my best attempt at deciphering the handwriting:

"Weight of US stove (5 lbs) is approximately the same as the Cdn Cookers Portable No 2.* Two of the latter items are reported to adequately heat a 5-man tent and prepare pack rations for 5 men, more-over they are being procured for present stockpiling.* Would therefore consider that we are interested in the US development should it prove to be an improvement over the Cdn. Cookers Port, No 2."* Dated 23 Mar 1949



If you are seriously interested in this topic, you may have come across reference to the Coleman 500 being referred to as a "Model C1B1" here is the basis for that information:

B-GG-302-002/FP-001 (formerly CFP 302(2), Part 1), Specific Operations, Volume 2, Arctic and Sub-Arctic Operations, Part 1, Basic Cold Weather Training. Dated 1974-03-15 (including Change 1 - 1982-08-04)

Paras 234-241 (pages 2-67 to 2-73) an image from this manual is attached.

This seems to indicate that these stoves were still in use into the 1980s. Does anyone remember them?
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A complete summary

As stated in the beginning, I certainly do not have all of the answers regarding Cookers, Portable No.2, but hopefully the information I have presented can prompt further discussion on this topic.

I recognize that there is some potential that my claims regarding the true identity and designation of the Canadian stoves could cause some controversy (and maybe I am wrong) and I welcome discussion or further evidence on the matter.

The research that I have conducted has been mainly based on files that I can access via the internet.* On the Library and Archives Canada site there are 2 more Canadian Military Headquarters - London files that are visible:

Petrol cookers.<http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_archives/index.php?fuseaction=genitem.displayItem&rec_nbr=1 086764&lang=eng&rec_nbr_list=1086764,1086767,42870 42> 1943/01-1944/02. File.
RG24-C-2. Volume/box number: 12584. File number: 11/COOKERS PETROL/1.
Textual material. [Access: Open]. Government.
Finding aid number: 24-15

Petrol cookers.<http://collectionscanada.gc.ca/pam_archives/index.php?fuseaction=genitem.displayItem&rec_nbr=1 086767&lang=eng&rec_nbr_list=1086764,1086767,42870 42> 1945/02-1945/05. File.
RG24-C-2. Volume/box number: 12584. File number: 11/COOKERS PETROL/1/2.
Textual material. [Access: Open]. Government.
Finding aid number: 24-15

These 2 files likely contain additional information which could assist in further developing a complete picture of Canadian usage, unfortunately they are not currently available on-line.
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Excellent research and compilation of data Colin.

I found this photo online a while back, (I believe on MLU)
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Colin - Surely you can get a PHD for that research....


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Very nice work Colin. I think that answered the question about the stove for the Sexton, though measuring the case for a 500 would tell for sure. Concerning use of the British No2 in the Sexton: the stove and cooking pot will not fit in the bracket as they are too tall together. I will add some pictures from my research.
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A covilian add for the No2.
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If you are on Facebook - you might want to consider joining this group about rations, stoves and the like... a lot of knowledgeable folk there.

WW1 - WW2 British Rations

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These pictures are notable for the variety of clothing.
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In addition to the vehicles, I also have many wwii stoves. They are interesting in their variety, difficulty of use, and a refreshingly short restoration project.
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This seems to indicate that these stoves were still in use into the 1980s. Does anyone remember them?
I never had cause to notice them before, but I'll be looking now, especially at my favorite military scrapyard, where the pots may no doubt lurk.

There is an old Cdn NSN for them, 7310-21-108-5755, which includes some Cdn army numbers for the model as well. They are now obsolete, although it's hard to say when. The last update was 2013 on the number. A lot of the numbers refer to the Army cadets, so they may have been using them later than the actual Cdn Forces.

I see they are readily available on ebay, although if one gets picky about the date and trying to find a C/l\ example, it could take a little longer.
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Jordan,

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Excellent research and compilation of data Colin.

I found this photo online a while back, (I believe on MLU)
Thanks, the source of that photo is: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...&postcount=107

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Concerning use of the British No2 in the Sexton: the stove and cooking pot will not fit in the bracket as they are too tall together.
I hadn't considered that the height would be an issue in the Sexton. I thought it might be an issue in the Fox and Lynx which stowed the cookers in fender mounted bins. I will have to abandon the thoughts of an adaptor plate to fit in the Sexton tray.

The stove from the above kijiji ad is in the capable hands of a fellow MLUer who greatly assisted in obtaining it. Once we can work out a date to meet and it transfers to my possession I can then try fitting it in the local Sexton.

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The adapter, or plywood spacer would have to be as tall as the edges of the bracket as the case of both No2 stoves is too big. I thought to put the pot under the stove as it fits in the bracket, but the whole rig is too tall, hitting on the sloped armor.
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