Which chassis?

David_Hayward (RIP) · #1 17-09-04, 14:57

Bill [Murray[ quoted:

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According to the AEDB book and it's photos, it would seem all of the C-F60S variants had the spare tyre somewhere inside the body (depending on the load etc.) except for the 3 ton dump on the short chassis which had the spare between the dump body and the back of the cab in a vertical position.

Here is an excellent example of a mystery chassis that could serve as a precedent for identification. A dump, but C60S or L as the spare wheel is behind the cab? Note this post-war truck has no driver's screen, driver's wiper and mirror!

The only British order that could have been a # 13 Cab is
L 5573629 to 5574051 Demand SM 6106 LORRY 3 TON 4 X 4 TIPPING (ARTICISED)

Phil Waterman · #2 17-09-04, 15:38

I don't remember the change date, or serial number but upto some point, my understanding, is that trucks equiped with runflats did not carry a spair at all.

Keith Webb · #3 17-09-04, 22:19

Looks like a 1944-5 C60S.
All tippers (dump) on CMPs here used the C60S or F60S chassis. Looks like it has Lucas side lights so this might be a post-war picture.
We had three types of tippers mostly on Ford chassis and the later types used 8.25 20 nd tyres with duals on the rear. The capacity was 2 1/2 cubic yards.

Here's a similar angle of a rough C60S tipper for comparison:

More pics here

Here's a Ford nomenclature plate:

Bill Murray · #4 17-09-04, 22:38

Phil:

You may have once again proven that I sometimes jump before I look. Although I stated that CMP's were not my area of expertise, that does not excuse sloppy research on my part.

I assumed that since the pictures in the AEDB did not show an externally mounted spare it must be mounted inside (and in fact some pics showed that). I did not print out all the text pages from the CDs so will have to go back and look at them but I seem to remember a section on tyre equipment and also reading long ago elsewhere that the RF equipped lorries did not, in fact, have spare tyres and wheels.

So, my ID tips were not sufficiently researched, are suspect at best and may only be correct in some cases after the demise of the RF equipment. My apologies, I try to do better than that.

Hopefully, a complete reading of the AEDB book text portions will give me a more definitive set of "tips". Got to print it off first, though as that series is a lot of pages, it is 8 volumes long.
Bill

David_Hayward (RIP) · #5 17-09-04, 22:51

I am informed that the 'C60S' has a CGT style fuel tank and Edbro tipping gear. It was even suggested that this post-war rebuild was in fact on a C-GT chassis with cab canibalised from another CMP! Yet agin, a major problem with the chassis length here! It's an example of fuel tanks being repaired and refitted when 100 trucks went in and 90 came out...

Keith Webb · #6 18-09-04, 04:24

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Originally posted by David_Hayward
I am informed that the 'C60S' has a CGT style fuel tank and Edbro tipping gear. It was even suggested that this post-war rebuild was in fact on a C-GT chassis with cab canibalised from another CMP! Yet agin, a major problem with the chassis length here! It's an example of fuel tanks being repaired and refitted when 100 trucks went in and 90 came out...

Just the filler looks CGT. The tank is a standard size by the look of it. It's certainly not a CGT chassis unless perhaps one of the LAA tractors. There are no winch fairleads on the front bumper though.

David_Hayward (RIP) · #7 19-09-04, 12:17

Any thoughts please?

I suspected that this might have been a 800 gallon Petrol tanker, to S/M 2582...C60L? However that would be a # 13 Cab. This is therefore likely to be ex-Canadian.

Tony Smith · #8 19-09-04, 13:18

David, note the driveshaft slants up to a point near the rear of the cab? This is a 134"WB vehicle, either a C30 or C60S. a 158"WB vehicle would have an intermediate bearing and the driveshaft would slope up to around the area of the second mounting block on the tank.
The marker light appears a different shape to the rubber type, could this be another post-war rebuild?

Richard Farrant · #9 19-09-04, 13:21

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Originally posted by David_Hayward

I suspected that this might have been a 800 gallon Petrol tanker, to S/M 2582...C60L? However that would be a # 13 Cab.

David,

Judging the length of the tank with the rear wheel, I would say it is a smaller capacity than 800 galls and that it may be on a short wheelbase 3 ton chassis or C30 chassis, saying that though, the tyres look to be 1050-20.

Is it possible that this is an ex-military vehicle that has been converted for civvy use?

Richard

David_Hayward (RIP) · #10 19-09-04, 15:39

..Richard! And Tony and thanks to Tony as well! It's post-war civilianised probably C60S by wheel size and [how many..500?] gallons tank? It's a #11 Cab so I am suggesting Canadian order. Anyone confirm please 4E1 Gasoline Tank body on the '3 ton 134" w.b. 4 x 4' ? It is most definitely not a 800 gallon tank which was fitted to 158" and 174" chassis!

I have a photo from the IWM of a # 11 Cab C15 with British tank body by Bilston of Wolverhampton. That's another example of specialist bodies on CMP chassis-cabs to Canadian order.

Incidentally I have a photo of a C15A which has been civilianised, and has had the rear prop shaft removed so that it is now front wheel drive. Does that make sense? Surely disconnecting the front axle would save on wear and tear etc. if a straight front axle was not available or able to be firred?