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Old 17-10-20, 20:27
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Iím definitely not a sign painter, and grossly lacking in artistic talent, but rather than use vinyl decals I wanted to have hand painted markings on this truck. Iím marking this truck to represent the regular force Canadian Black Watch from the 1950ís and 60ís. Unfortunately the two Black Watch regular force battalions were disbanded by Trudeau in July 1970.

Thanks to some guidance fro Rob L, I got the proper sign lettering paint and took a stab at my first unit sign. Itís a bit choppy, but from a few feet away, it looks ok. I still like it better than ďperfectĒ vinyl decals. I may have my son do the golden maple leaf, as he is more talented with a paint brush. More to follow on that...

Here is what I have done so far:
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Old 17-10-20, 21:19
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Wayne
Not bad for a first try, but yes, the choppiness shows. The trick is to relax and do the edge in a long steady stroke, with the hand supported if need be. If the piece can be paid flat, like a tailgate or an individual sign-plate, then even better. If you go slightly over the lines, that is fine. If you go way over, or (shudder) get a run, then you can always put red over top of the mistakes later.



Paint is not a decal, and the numbering or lettering can be a little wider or thinner in spots. Nobody will notice, or those that do will appreciate the hand painting.
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Old 17-10-20, 23:42
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Iím definitely not a sign painter, and grossly lacking in artistic talent, but rather than use vinyl decals I wanted to have hand painted markings on this truck. Iím marking this truck to represent the regular force Canadian Black Watch from the 1950ís and 60ís. Unfortunately the two Black Watch regular force battalions were disbanded by Trudeau in July 1970.

Thanks to some guidance fro Rob L, I got the proper sign lettering paint and took a stab at my first unit sign. Itís a bit choppy, but from a few feet away, it looks ok. I still like it better than ďperfectĒ vinyl decals. I may have my son do the golden maple leaf, as he is more talented with a paint brush. More to follow on that...

Here is what I have done so far:
Wayne, good job on the Arm of Service markings and I am pleased to see that you are reproducing known markings that were applied to your vehicle. Just to clarify things, the markings that you are reproducing were promulgated in 1960 and a 9 on a red square represents an infantry battalion but was not Black Watch specific. You might enjoy this 1960s image taken in Germany.

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Old 18-10-20, 00:40
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Well Wayne, compared to the 9 in Ed's photo, you are a regular Rembrandt.
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Old 18-10-20, 01:01
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Great photo Ed! Thanks for sharing that one, and for the info on unit marking serials not being Black Watch specific (I didnt know that). The information provided by Dan in post 87, regarding Black Watch using serials 8 & 9 coupled with photos I found in Gagetown, along with your info and photo have increased my understanding of the unit signs used by the Black Watch during that period of time.

Rob: you are right... Its the flow of the long steady brushstroke that Im lacking. That's what I meant about the lack of artistic talent. That flow and steady hand is not automatic. I definitely need to practice a bit before attempting the markings on the hood. I have a lot of hours of work invested in that hood, and Im stressed out about screwing it up. Which is counter to your advice of being relaxed!

The unit sign in Ed's photo above, gives me a bit of comfort and reassurance that the 9 doesn't need to be "perfect".
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Old 18-10-20, 01:09
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When Iíve done painted markings I always cheated; made a paint mask stencil then filled it in with a brush, removing the stencil once it racked up.
Nice job anyways!
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Old 18-10-20, 02:32
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Perhaps, maybe, you need to partake of our governments recently legalized relaxant before you paint. Personally, I will live with the sober results.



Hand painted is hand painted, complete with it's imperfections. Look at a hand painted store window sometimes with a critical eye and you will see what I mean. They are far from perfect, but pleasing non-the less.
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Old 19-10-20, 01:26
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With some touch-ups to improve the 9 a bit and the leaf added, this is the final product.
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Old 19-10-20, 01:33
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With some touch-ups to improve the 9 a bit and the leaf added, this is the final product.
Looks good to me.

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Old 19-10-20, 03:35
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Default M37CDN Markings

Your AoS and unit serial are exceptional, most likely better painted than even those found on the vehicles of the time. Keep in mind that your vehicle markings are placed correctly for 4 Brigade in Germany for the period up to the early 1960s but are reversed (vehicle rear only) for Canada. Also Mobile Command replaced 1st Canadian Division in Canada in about 1967ish. And finally CFR plates were not introduced until 1970-71 and yours is one of the latter kind with embossed CANADA which dates from the late 1970s - after the M37CDN had been replaced by the Chevrolet 5/4 ton. Prior to 1970 DND vehicles were plated provincially and no plates were used in Germany.

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Old 19-10-20, 03:59
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Nice job, Wayne!

Feels nice to be at the details part of a project, doesnít it?

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Old 19-10-20, 04:00
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Ed: yes, my display of the modern style CFR plate is definitely not correct. I do have one older style version with DND and CANADA riveted over the DND. Any idea what years that version was in use? 1960's?

I hadn't noticed the reversed position of the unit and formation signs before. The 1947 version of "Vehicle Markings - Canada" as posted by Rob a few years ago, shows the markings to be on the same side front and rear. The reversal on the rear markings in Canada is new information for me.

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I found a more appropriate NB provincial plate.
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Old 19-10-20, 04:03
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Nice job, Wayne!

Feels nice to be at the details part of a project, doesnít it?

David
Thanks David. Yes and no... Im working at some of the details (which is nice), but Im still not finished painting the cab tub and doors. I guess Im cheating a bit.
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Old 19-10-20, 04:26
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Wayne, CFR plates came into use about 1970 or 1971, you need provincial plates for the period you are depicting with your markings. You have to watch the CF marking guides as they changed and evolved over the years. In this case your M37CDN is marked correctly for a Black Watch vehicle in Germany circa 1960 and as a bonus you will not require any plates.
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Old 19-10-20, 05:27
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Wayne: Note the tables and racks in Ed's above photo are the line laying stuff we were looking at in the surplus yard last week.
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Old 19-10-20, 05:50
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Wayne: Note the tables and racks in Ed's above photo are the line laying stuff we were looking at in the surplus yard last week.
Yes, I was thinking about that stuff when I saw the photo. Ill put it on my Christmas wish list.
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Old 20-10-20, 06:42
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Hey Wayne, I donít have much to add except to say your truck is really coming along! The hand painted markings look great I think, and it fits with the character of these trucks.
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Old 09-11-20, 00:26
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Thanks Rob. That bit of color on these trucks does give a more complete look to things.
Other than a bit more green left to go on the doors and many nuts & bolts, Iím pretty much done with all the painting. Looking forward to bolting things back together.
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Old 23-11-20, 07:31
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The engine is back in the frame and next will be the transmission, transfer case, drive shafts, rear wiring harness and the radiator. Just when I thought I was going to be done with painting, I had a bit of a paint malfunction on my doors yesterday, so they need to be sanded down and redone...
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Old 27-11-20, 06:29
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A bit more progress tonight...
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Looking really good, maybe some day I can do that level on mine.
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Old 27-11-20, 08:22
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You are too busy working on everyone elseís vehicles Dave. Thank you for your help on this one. It should be ready for the camping trip next summer.
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Nice progress, Wayne!

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Old 27-11-20, 14:14
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Looks great Wayne. The truck has sure come a long way since you first picked it up.
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Old 27-11-20, 18:37
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Thanks David and Rob. I have almost all of the remaining components in a "ready to bolt on" state, so hopefully I can maintain a decent pace of work with the reassembly.

I need to attach the bumperettes and brackets for the tail lights, convoy light and trailer plug so that I can properly fit the rear wiring harness. That's my next step.
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