plate,cover,loophole

[roy206]

a while ago we get these plate.
i discovered it is tl947sa.plate,cover,loophole
try to fit it on our mk1,but it cant be fitted,i guess it only for a mk2.

[Ron Pier]

Mine is a MK2, but I can't recall this plate? Where exactly does it fit please. Regards Ron

[universalgrl]

The FUC-03 illustrated parts catalog lists the cover as CTL 947 SA
for the carrier C31 UCW Welsh guards.
But it should fit any MK I or MK II??

[Marc van Aalderen]

Hi Roy,

As yours is a Mk1 and mine a Mk2* Welsh Guards I'll relieve you off it.

See you at W&P.

Cheers mate,

[Ron Pier]

Hang on Mark. I was first I'll be at W&P also My MK2 is also Welsh Guard Stowage. But I still haven't worked out where this plate fits. Time to study the parts list I think. Ron

[Marc van Aalderen]

Sorry Ron, but Roy and I have been emailing about this since yesterday. So you are second! Sorry mate! But I will have a beer for you too if you are coming to W&P.

Cheers,

[roy206]

it can be fitted in the gunners hole as a armor plate

[Ron Pier]

Ah I realize what it is now. CTL 947 SA gunners slot cover plate. I have one, so no arm wrestling for it Mark. Mine is 3/8" (nearly 10mm) thick. Ron

[BCA]

The cover Roy shows has 6 rivets that project through the plate to form 6 stubby pins (just like my cover). What purpose do they serve - they don't seem to help position the cross-bar. The cover Ron shows does not have these pins. My original has no part numbers, unusual for a Carrier part. ...... Brian

[roy206]

i think ron his plate is a repro one,a Original plate is 7/16 thick.
the welded pins help to stay the crossbar in horizontal or vertical position.
our plate also don,t have the stamped number on it.
after esaerch i discovered that the platenumber is tl14115,plate and thecrossbar tl14116,bar locking .
the housing number for the stowage bracket is ctl 14120 housing,loophole,coverplate wich is fitted on a Welsh .
i don,t know there is a stowage bracket mounted on a mk2.

[Ron Pier]

Correction! I have just measured my plate accurately with a vernier instead of the plastic rule I used yesterday. It is indeed 7/16". I've studied it with a mag glass and can't find a number. However the stowage holder which is mounted to the left of the firing slot, clearly has a part number. The top edge of my plate has an extra welded piece but no rivets....Could this be a British version? Ron

[roy206]

all the plates i have seen have the welded studs and the welded piece is on the edges rounded,also the other side from the plate has rounded edges.
the barlocking is also round grinded and the plate between the nut and spring sould be bigger,the nut is also welded on the bolt.

[Ron Pier]

I have been discussing the gunner slot cover plate with Roy by email. He sent me a picture to show the rivets and their purpose. My plate has no rivets, but I just noticed that my front armour has two welded strips to form a rebate for the plate.
Is this a MK2 feature? Is a MK1 smooth?
Out of interest:-
My Candian parts list quotes CTL 947 SA Gunners slot cover plate
My British Chillwell list quotes TL 947 SA Loophole cover plate.
Ron

[Ron Pier]

Here is Roys picture, bit fuzzy, but shows how the rivets/stubs keep it in place.

Ron

[kevin powles]

Gents, This I believe is a genuine loop hole protection plate fitted to a Welsh Guards Carrier.

kevin.

[David Dunlop]

Heres a couple of photo details from Ford of Canada showing the loophole cover plate in its stowed position and installed.

David

[shaun]

Originally Posted by David Dunlop

Heres a couple of photo details from Ford of Canada showing the loophole cover plate in its stowed position and installed.

David

The second photo shows a welded hull, did Canada produce many welded hulls ?

[David Dunlop]

Hi Shaun.

Actually, both those photos are from the same carrier at Ford Canada. You will see the weld bead running down the corner of the front armour in the first photo. behind the loophole cover plate stowage bracket.

You have raised an interesting question. Give me a couple of days to look through the photos I have from Ford and I will post a new thread and comments. We might be onto something here.

Cheers for now,


David

[Lynn Eades]

So is this welded hull with riveted air ducts a designated as MKII*W. I am very confused about late Canadian carriers, and cannot even tell the difference between a MkI* and a MkII* anymore (unless it's on the plate)

[roy206]

discovered more out
fuc-3 page 228 says ctl947sa is for c31ucw

illustrated parts list 1945 says: page h13
tl947sa is for universal mk2 and mk3
3 ich mortar mk2 and mk3
mmg mk2

also on page p13
tl14120 is only fitted in universal mk2 and mk3

bring it over to w&p together with some other parts.

roy

[Ron Pier]

The previous owner tells me mine might be from a T16? So I need a real one now Ron

[roy206]

what says the measurements?
if they are good you can make the plate easily the same as a (c)tl 947sa
or am i wrong.

[roy206]

i just looked at it on a t16.
it looks different ,on the lower side is a hinge,so you can lay it down on the front

[Ron Pier]

You are quite right Roy. I have just printed off the pictures and drawing you kindly sent me. It's all quite clear what to do. I'll be looking for your red truck at W&P. Ron

[roy206]

back from w&p
i had a nice weekend there,only it was a pitty that i can,t trce some guys,also they didn,t found me...

[Ron Pier]

Yes Roy. For a one day trip, I did not like the new venue!! I couldn't find anyone as I wasn't used to the layout. When my friend 'Hong Kong Dave' offered to take us round in his Jeep to see some of the exhibits. Vehicle movement was curtailed whilst the arena event was going on, so we had to abandon the idea! My eyes are still giving me trouble from the dust.......Last year it was mud!!! Ron

[roy206]

found this pic from a mk1.
what plate do they have fitted in the gunport?
it cant be a mk2 plate,because that one is to width.

[Lynn Eades]

That carrier has a big (6 digit?) number considering it is a very early MkI* U.C.

[roy206]

was thinking,could it be that the two welded strips to form a rebate for the cover a field modification is?
without the two strips it is possible that a bullet lift off the plate and make some damage inside the hull.maybee that,s why they weld the strips beside the cover.

roy