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Old 15-02-12, 19:52
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Hi, I have borrowed a Stacey towing attachment to copy, I need to replicate the three sandwiched pieces of steel, can any one advice on the type of steel used for this part, i.e. spring steel. I am having the two end brackets cast and have managed to locate an original hook and back plate, I think I can make the whole thing for about £550........will post some pics up of how this project progresses. Plan to put it on the mortar carrier.

Also whats the thickness of the angle iron that runs along the top??.

kev.
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Old 15-02-12, 20:04
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Have you measured (or compared part numbers) to see if the spring leaves from a garden variety CMP would fit? I would make sense to use the same parts for all, if they fit.
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Old 15-02-12, 21:32
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I bought my spring leaves and hook from John Marchant, who told me it came from a CMP truck. My two end brackets are of welded construction. They came with the carrier and I was told they are a British variant? Ron
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Old 15-02-12, 21:52
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Hi, Yes this is the same as a CMP truck, but were do I get the springs?.

Kev.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
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Old 15-02-12, 22:19
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Maybe the dimensions match a modern vehicle's leaf springs? Start at the local junk yard...
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Old 15-02-12, 22:23
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Leaf spring work is cheap. Get the measurements and have a shop make them up. Those fancy rebound clips on them are another matter and will have to be hand made.

By what I know of spring work I have had done in the past, an attempt to salvage spring material off scrap truck's leaf springs will be way more work than it's worth.
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Old 16-02-12, 09:24
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I'd be straight down to a commercial truck spring shop and just get them made Shouldn't be too much, and you'd have an end result that worked.

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Old 16-02-12, 17:12
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Kevin, if you speak to Martyn he had a load made up a while ago and may still have the patterns he used (for the entire bracket).. it may help you a bit quicker matey
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Old 17-02-12, 21:56
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Hi, Anyone know for sure if an additional bracket was used behind the tool plate on this Mk1 carrier towe hitch?.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 14-04-12, 05:49
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Default stacey attachment

On the 'stacey towing attachment' there is a piece of angle iron that runs across the top, could someone possibly tell me the dimensions of this please, i.e. width, thickness of the metal and total length.

many thanks kevin.
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1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 14-04-12, 08:04
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Kevin. I got your PM. I'll post the sizes on here in case anyone else needs them.

The angle iron is 1 1/4"x1/4" total length is 31 1/2". The top edges are angled at 90 degrees.

I made the tail lamp bracket myself. So probably not accurate. Ron
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Old 18-04-12, 13:43
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Hi, I collected from the foundary today, two cast stacey arms, cast from originals, to replicate these at a reasonably price they have to be made with a solid core on the triangle section, this maintains the original cast numbers and date. I am having them machined at the moment for the mounting holes and large side holes to replicate the original round side cast lightning holes.

I am pretty sure if any more were made they could possibley do something in the casting process to replicate these recesses in some way, avoiding maching after.

I will post some pics up after the weekend. For a set to be made without the mounting holes drilled and lightening holes would be £460 a set including VAT (this is just for the cast brackets, not including the towe hook, springs,angle iron etc).

If anyone is interested please let me know before next wednesday, they will also need to be paid for before casting. I can deliver to Beltring.

kevin.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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Old 02-06-12, 00:07
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Default Stacey Fitted

Hi, Trial fitted the Tow attachment today, Everything lined up O.k., Was worth making, thanks for the loan of the originals, got an original spring and hook fitted, one thing I have noticed from looking at pictures of the tow/spring arrangement is that carriers seem to have a 'U clamp retainer' which I have made and yet to fit as pictured in the last picture, have not seen this on a CMP or other spring/tow hook.

Wont be making any more of these as they are expensive to make.


kev.
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3" Mortar Universal Carrier 1943 registered 06/06/2009.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, Caunter camo.
1941 Standard Mk1 stowage Carrier, light stone.
10 cwt wartime mortar trailer.
1943 Mk2 Daimler Dingo.
1943 Willys MB.
1936 Vickers MG carrier No1 Mk1 CMM 985.
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