15 cwt CMP FFW

[Jon Skagfeld]

Having recently acquired a 1944 Chev Wire-5 cab and chassis, with a 2J1 GS cargo box, I'm thinking about the possibility of making this unit into an FFW.

To that end, does anyone have any input with reference to the conversion kit which would convert a GS box into an FFW box?

Particularly, I'm seeking the dimensions and material list for the table which the WS No 19 was mounted.

Without going into all the details, what I really am looking for is an EME drawing, or similar reference, which provides information for the complete installation.

Any info, anyone?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
To that end, does anyone have any input with reference to the conversion kit which would convert a GS box into an FFW box?

I have a manual listing the various bodies which might yield some information - stand by while I look for it.

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
...manual listing the various bodies...

Jon, I've checked the Illustrated BODY PARTS LIST D.N.D. Special Pattern Bodies of October 1941 (Revised Jan. 1942): in only lists the following variants for the Model 15-cwt (Steel) body: General Service, Cable Layer, Ant-Tank Tractor, Personnel Carrier and Van. So at least until January 1942 the body for the Fitted For Wireless version did not actually differ from the General Service version.

HTH,
Hanno

[Lars Ulvestad]

Jon,

Try to contact Brian Asbury, PO Box 26, Milton, Ontario L9T 2Y3, Tel: (519) 853-1738.

Some years ago he was restoring a 1944 C15A equipped with a wireless GS Box: Date of Mfg: OCT. 11 1944, Chassis Serial 4844404216, Vehicle Model: C-15A-WIRE-3. He is hopefully able to help you with the information you need.

[Jon Skagfeld]

Hanno and Lars:

Thank you for your responses.

In particular, Hanno, good reference material...Lars, I'll probably run across Brian during various militaria shows around Ontario.

Again, thanks to you both.

PS...Hanno...what does HTH mean?

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[Frank Misztal]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
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PS...Hanno...what does HTH mean?

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Hope This Helps.

Frank ...

BTW, Jon... the museum in Kingstons has a restored 15cwt FFW (minus engine) on display. If you want, I can take photos of the inside of the box. I was told that the 19 set sits on the original table, so I can also take measurements for you.

HTH
Frank ...

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

As a result of the latest addition to the database, I thought that I should post a note of all known 1944 MODEL C15A serials. It is interesting to correlate the sequential production numbers with dates of manufacture and thus give some idea of contract fulfilment and also production rates.

4844400291 ENGINE # PR3,981,618 C.D.L.V. 2571 JULY 13 1944
4844400546 ENGINE # PR3,988,563 C.D.L.V. 2571 JULY 1944
4844400579 PR3987544 JULY 20 1944 [WIRE-5]
4844403808 ENGINE # PR4,000,896
4844403833 ENGINE # PR4,001,100 C.D.L.V 2615 OCTOBER 3 1944
4844403881
4844403957 ENGINE # PR3,996,370 C.D.L.V. 2571 OCTOBER 5 1944
4844403963 ENGINE # PR3,996,406 OCTOBER 5 1944
4844404216 C-15A-WIRE-3 OCTOBER 11 1944
4844404254
484440441X
4844404433
4844404515
4844404613
4844405605
4844405659 ENGINE # PR4,005,595 S/M 6439 NOVEMBER 17 1944
4844405841
4844406248
4844406283
4844407196 ENGINE # PR4,015,898 S/M 6439-M JANUARY 8 1945
4844408040
4844408771
4844413824 ENGINE # PR4,050,222 AUS CONTRACT PE-205-63 JULY 13 1945
4844420112 PE-211-103 APRIL 27 1945 [HOLDEN-ASSEMBLED]

[Jon Skagfeld]

Frank...all and any info on subject matter appreciated...measurements, pics, etc

[Gunner]

Jon:

We have a very sad Wireless body in the S&P Museum that we may be interested in trading away. It was cut down into a pick-up body by some horrid fiend and the sides are now only two to three feet high. It might give you a start point. You can send me a PM if you're interested in discussing a swap.

Cheers, Mike

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
In particular, Hanno, good reference material...

Jon, since you asked for "input with reference to the conversion kit which would convert a GS box into an FFW box", I assumed(*) there actually was a FFW version of the 15-cwt GS box like there was for the 8-cwt.
Now, judging by the responses from the other forum members, it seems the 15-cwt only came as a Wireless Van variant (as pictured below)? :
Could you please clarify what you are looking for?

HTH
Hanno

(*) Never assume anything: it makes an ass out of u and me.


source

[Jon Skagfeld]

Hanno:

The information that I have available to me indicates the following:

The standard GS box was the welded 2C1 type; this vehicle has the bolted 2J1 type of box, and "represents one of the more sophisticated adaptations of the 15 cwt body. Wireless equipment is the Cdn No 19 set. A 300 amp chorehorse was mounted on left running board of cab".

Further to the above, in Gregg's "Canada's Fighting Vehicles", p.54, is a picture of a Chev 15 cwt, Fitted for Wireless. The cover of the chorehorse is removed and one can see an antenna mast poking up from the cargo box area.

So, that's the reference material that I'm looking for...since it's highly unlikely that I'll ever obtain a Sigs Van in the same restored shape as the truck itself.

HTH

[Jon Skagfeld]

Originally posted by Frank Misztal
BTW, Jon... the museum in Kingstons has a restored 15cwt FFW (minus engine) on display. If you want, I can take photos of the inside of the box. I was told that the 19 set sits on the original table, so I can also take measurements for you.

Frank:

You're talking about an FFW, not a gin palace (Sigs Van)?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
The standard GS box was the welded 2C1 type; this vehicle has the bolted 2J1 type of box, and "represents one of the more sophisticated adaptations of the 15 cwt body. Wireless equipment is the Cdn No 19 set. A 300 amp chorehorse was mounted on left running board of cab".

Gregg's Canadian Military Vehicle Profile Series Vol.2 (source) describes the 2J1 as follows:

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Hanno Spoelstra
Gregg's Canadian Military Vehicle Profile Series Vol.2

...also lists the 2J3 body type with "Wireless Fittings" as fitted to the "15441-M-Wire-1" truck. This is what I had in mind: a GS box converted as a wireless truck.
Can anyone check if Gregg's Canadian Military Vehicle Profile Series Vol.2 has any further info on the 2J3 body and/or 15-cwt Wire-1 truck?

H.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
Further to the above, in Gregg's "Canada's Fighting Vehicles", p.54, is a picture of a Chev 15 cwt, Fitted for Wireless. The cover of the chorehorse is removed and one can see an antenna mast poking up from the cargo box area.

So my assumption was right ... o.k. guys, here's what Jon wants to make out of his C15A:

[Gunner]

Hi Hanno:

Interesting that the 'cargo' version (2J3) with wireless fittings has the same designation as the van version (2F1). They are both listed as 15441-M-Wire-1.

Cheers, Mike

[Frank Misztal]

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
Frank:

You're talking about an FFW, not a gin palace (Sigs Van)?

I stand corrected. It is a gin palace. I had the nomenclatures mixed up during a senior moment.

In any case, I'll check to see what manuals the museum has hidden in the back room. If there's an appropriate one, I'll scan it into PDF format and put it on CD for you.

Frank sends...

[Gord Falk]

I have come across a wireless 15cwt GS Chev here in Manitoba. The box was sitting off, with bits scattered around the farm yard. He was using the truck to haul fire wood, piling 8 foot wood across the frame. I asked to buy the tool box / spare tire carrrier from it, offered $400.00 dallors he sad he didn't want to sell parts from the truck. What he had that was unique to the wireless truck were the two steel lockers that mounted on top of the inside fender wells as well as the battery storage racks bolted to the insde front right corner of the box. The truck was fitted for ignition supression, I did locate the small box where the coil would of been fitted it. The truck is in an out of the way part of the province, I do plan to go that way before the snow gets to deep, I will take pictures of the wireless bits if you wish.
Gord Falk

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally posted by Gord Falk
What he had that was unique to the wireless truck were the two steel lockers that mounted on top of the inside fender wells as well as the battery storage racks bolted to the insde front right corner of the box.

Gord, did you manage to take photos of the wireless bits?

I was triggered to look up this thread again by a drawing of Body Design 2C3 - 15 cwt. 4x4 Wireless G.S. in Gregg's Blueprint for Victory.

Hanno

[Gord Falk]

attached ( I hope) are pictures of the Chev FFR, includinga photo of the data plate and of the removed over fender wheel well tool boxes now being used in his farm fuel truck.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here are Gord´s pictures:

Originally posted by Gord Falk
attached ( I hope) are pictures of the Chev FFR, includinga photo of the data plate and of the removed over fender wheel well tool boxes now being used in his farm fuel truck.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Gordon, what are the chances of getting really good photo's and dimensions on those FFR tool boxes, or any other parts unique to these? It would also be nice to look for holes and places where things have been cut off to make an educated guess at what when where. I know where I could measure up a wireless table for one of these. With all this info, Jon may have enough to restore his truck to an FFR. I KNOW he has a 19 set to put in it.

[Gord Falk]

I will be back in the that part of the province later this year, I will try again to purchase or trade other boxes for the ones from over the fenders. Inside the GS box are still the bottom of the battery trays. I will take better pics and post them later in the year. Thanks Hanno for your help in getting these last photos posted.

[Jordan Baker]

I know its been awhile, but any chance of some updated photos/measurments of what these bins looked like?

[Joe C]

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread but I wanted to let it be known that I have a page on the vehicle along with some period pictures courtesy of Clive Law / Service Publications. If others have more to contribute I'd happy add to the basic page I currently have.

http://www.rcsigs.ca/index.php/CMP_T...d_for_Wireless

[Keith Webb]

Great website Joe,

I'll repost to my Canadian Military Pattern Vehicles Facebook page, I'm sure it will generate a lot of interest.

Originally Posted by Joe C

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread but I wanted to let it be known that I have a page on the vehicle along with some period pictures courtesy of Clive Law / Service Publications. If others have more to contribute I'd happy add to the basic page I currently have.

http://www.rcsigs.ca/index.php/CMP_T...d_for_Wireless

[Joe C]

Keith, I believe Clive already posted these photos to the group... and I'm glad he did!