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Old 12-11-21, 23:02
Bruce Parker (RIP) Bruce Parker (RIP) is offline
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Default Is this making anyone else nervous?

Maybe it's nothing but with talk like this we may not have much of a future keeping our MV's running. Already there's talk of severely limiting non-ethanol gas here in Canada as early as next year. And while banning the sale of 'ICE' cars may mean the sale of any new ones, it will most certainly limit or make very expensive gas to feed our old friends. 2040 seems a long way away but....

h t t p s://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/news/automakers-countries-cities-agree-to-ban-ice-vehicles-by-2040/ar-AAQAIPv?ocid=msedgntp

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Automakers, Countries, Cities Agree To Ban ICE Vehicles By 2040
Andrei Nedelea 1 day ago

Big names are missing from the list of carmakers and nations that made the commitment; the US and China have not agreed to this.
While many European nations had previously decided to ban the sale of internal combustion-engined vehicles by 2030 or 2035 in most cases, now some 30 countries, as well as automakers, agreed to stop permitting the sale of ICE vehicles after the year 2040. The agreement was reached during the United Nations’ COP26 conference on climate change, that is taking place in Glasgow, Scotland, but many important names did not take the pledge.

Right now the automakers that have agreed to the pledge are Ford, General Motors, Jaguar Land Rover, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, China’s BYD and India’s Tata Motors. Some of these manufacturers have already made their own pledges to not have ICE in their range even sooner - the year 2030 in Volvo’s case, while Mercedes’ parent company Daimler has said it will have a CO2-free fleet of vehicles by 2039.

The United States, Germany or China did not take the pledge, while on the automakers’ side, names such as Volkswagen, Stellantis, Toyota. In Germany’s case, officials said that they did not adhere because there was still no internal consensus on the matter, and that the country’s position would be clarified at a later date.

The countries that have so far agreed to the 2040 ICE ban pledge are: Austria, Azerbaijan, Cambodia, Canada, Cape Verde, Chile, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Finland, Ghana, Kenya, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay, Poland, Rwanda, Slovenia, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uruguay.
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Old 13-11-21, 00:28
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As to no more sales of new gas or diesel powered vehicles, I guess it is going to depend on the levels of technology that gets achieved by then. I have to say that 6 or 8 years ago, when Canada started banning most incandescent bulbs and were making us go to LED, I hated it, and stocked up somewhat on incandescent bulbs. Now I have actively sought to remove the incandescent and florescent lights from my house and workshop as they are inefficient and I get much stronger light from the LEDs, and don't burn my arm when using them in trouble lights. And they light up at -30, which the fluorescent lights don't do very well.



They have a long way to go on the electric vehicles before they will have an acceptable range here in the rural prairies. On top of longer distances to the next town, we have to use a portion of the energy towards heating the vehicle in the winter.



As to our vehicles, yes, it is going to get tough to operate them. They may well all be sitting in museums or as monuments by some point. But it won't be at the stroke of midnight on the first day of 2040. There will still be plenty of people driving their carbon sucking cars and trucks for a few years after that point. Who knows, maybe we will be installing electric conversion kits into our CMPs. Just the savings from the no longer leaking oil out of the chevs would likely save the planet.



As to the ethanol, there is no benefit to using the stuff now, in the past, nor in the future. It is renewable, but if we are going to wean off of petroleum, then there is still plenty of that to go around for a long long time yet. Then again, we could be brewing ethanol after 2040 to keep our vehicles going.
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Old 13-11-21, 00:42
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There are political limitations to the uptake of EV's

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ts-2021-07-19/
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Old 13-11-21, 03:45
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Default 2035 in Canada per the news today

I heard that too.

Being told I have to change and being offered a suitable alternative are two different things.
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Old 13-11-21, 03:54
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Default maybe more people will wake up

...or at least enough people to steer away from the rocks.
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Old 14-11-21, 00:08
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There is this option. It may be the solution that finally gets Fords to start when you want them to.

h t t p s://news.yahoo.com/goal-convert-classical-cars-electric-141415215.html

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Sat, November 13, 2021, 9:14 AM
While some drivers are ready to go electric, they still want to hang on to their classic cars. That's where one mechanic in London is ready to help and bring classical cars into the 21st century. Ian Lee has the story.
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Old 13-11-21, 03:50
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Yes Bruce, I worry about it, but I take solace from the assumption that I will have turned into a frog, and croaked by then. (or can't climb into a vehicle)
Its all a knee jerk reaction involving a new religion. There are 200 active volcanos around the planet. The current Icelandic one spewed out more in 4 days than mankind is responsible for, since the industial revolution. Mount Pinatubo in Indonesia (or the Philipines?) erupted for a year (1991) and threw up far more than mankind is responsible for since we first descended from the trees.
Check out Bjorn Lomborg. He runs big international think tanks. Climate change doesn't make it into his list of the first 30 world problems.
A far bigger problem is pollution (plastic) (this is where oil companies will live as we need less fuel)
In my experience Governments hardly ever get anything right. This is about taxing middle class people to hell while the few get even richer. (higher power, gas, heating, and transport costs)
The freedom that our grandfathers fought and died for is being lost to the socialist (read "communist") states, that we live in.
My govmint bought an E.V. for use in a remote environment. They also bought a diesel generator to charge it!. This is an example of what govmints do.
Note: my post does mention "tanks", so it's o.k.
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