cross tube remove

[arie teomim]

HI ALL,
Im trying to take out the cross tube. alraedy took out the bogies, but its stuck. did I miss any thing??
thanks arie

[RichardT10829]

No it's a nightmare.... Pull the rollers off the inside of the hull they come out with one bolt, then remove the castings from the hull wall so they don't get damaged.... Slide them along the tube out of harms way so you have a bit room to move, remove the cam plate, then put a brass dolly in the end of the tube and give it a good whack...

Did mine not so long ago

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...=12965&page=12

[SDeMocko]

Arie,

Sometimes you just need to beat something into submission. These photos are meant to inspire. My cross tube was welded to the brackets. As much as I tried I could not cut the parts free. I finally ended up cutting through into three pcs. I repaired all three parts buy building up damage and machining back. I also bored all three parts for an interference fit on a sleeve. After sleeving all three parts back together I plug and butt welded. Good luck pulling your tube out. I hope you don't need to resort to such extreme measures.

Stephen
'44 MKII

[SDeMocko]

A few more pics.

[SDeMocko]

Finally Back together.

[RichardT10829]

I am having some serious lathe envy !

It must have been seriously seized that one.

Heating and quenching is another good trick but it would take some hellish heat soak into that cross tube to do the job.... You can also apply heat than melt paraffin wax between the surfaces.... Works a charm.

Getting the rollers out and the castings off the hull was the key in my case.

[Lynn Eades]

Steve, mine was welded to the rollers and to the sides of the roller casting.
I had great difficulty as well, but manged to save my cross tube by sacrificing the roller and casting. I cut it into pieces.
The steering had been removed to use the carrier as a trailer. That's why it was welded.
Note the difference in the hole layout.
This is the pre universal carrier style which fortunately for me, was later adopted by the Australians in their LP2 carriers.
The differences being 1. used UNF thread. 2. The pin is drilled for lube to the bushes.

Arie, you should remove the cam plate (with the floor plate) first.
I found the left side casting to be more accessable to a grinder. There is still a lot of struggle involved. It would be much cheaper to freight two side roller assemblies than a cross tube. I would guess you could buy the side roller asemblies from one of the Canadian guys.

Good luck with your struggle!

[Michael R.]

Porta-power and out. Thanks to Stew Robertson.
Ensure you have the inner CTL 1623 washer off the tube, as it can be easily overlooked. If it is rusted in place it is quite effective at preventing removal of the cross tube.

[RichardT10829]

Micheal do both those washers go on the inside between the bogey and the hull wall ?

[Lynn Eades]

Richard,If I recall correctly (which may be in doubt) the bogey assembly goes between them. I would carefully check with string lines, and adjust accordingly. It must help.
I think the inner washer is thicker than the outer one.

Michael R. good pictures/info. thanks for posting.

[arie teomim]

HI ALL.
thanks you very much.
I removed out the bolt of the roller, and now my qustion is- is possible to remove the roller now? i sisnt even try, I thought it was too big to get out.
thanks arie

[Lynn Eades]

Arie, it should come out.

[RichardT10829]

As per Lynn, mine came out, you might need to get in there with a wire brush and clean off any build up that might be jamming the roller in situ.

[arie teomim]

one things that I must point- during all of the work I doing on my carrier, I keep beeing amazed from the fact that all wheels, bougies, roller, were not stuck as I expected. I was amazesed the first time when I pulld the carrier out from the place it was in the last few decades. I tryed to tow it and... there was no problem. I could tow it easy. eaven today, I puld out the bolt of the roller easy, it was not rusted, or stuck, and came out oily.
one of the uper of the trak was missing. luckly, I found onther donor, and ther too, I was able to pull out the axle easy, and there too, it was oily and
shining like new inside.
I guss this is thanks to method of the oiling system in the carrier. the oil, unlike greas, dose not dry.
arie

[arie teomim]

as you can see in thw pic that Stephen posted, the casting is opened. is it modifyed??
in othe pic i see that the roller is partly covered.
arie

[Lynn Eades]

Arie, I'm not sure what you mean.

[RichardT10829]

Lynn I think he means the tin dust shield that sits on top of the casting to cover the roller, there is usually a grease nipple located in the middle to lubricate the roller. Both of mine were still in situ.

Arie you will need to remove them, also you need to take all weight off the centre axle so the hull probably needs to do onto axle stands (or safer use railway sleepers stacked up)

So far Michael R's method is looking the best...... Wish I had access to one when I did mine...... I felt like weeping with frustration but kept at it and it came out in the end.

[Michael R.]

As Lynn recalls, correctly, the TL 1623 and TL 1624 (or CTL) rings are located on either side of the double bogie assembly. The outer one is quite obvious, however, the inner one may be lurking close to the leather dust excluder. If it is not rusted in place, you should be good to go. A touch of heat and some lube works wonders. Don't forget to remove the leather dust excluder wiring!

There is no need to remove the TL 1613 cross tube rollers when re/re the cross tube. The procedure is published in the British AOP maintenance manual.

[RichardT10829]

I noticed just now, your bolt is the same as mine however on Stephens picture, his has a grease nipple in the end of it ? Is that a mk2 thing ?

[Michael R.]

I noticed just now, your bolt is the same as mine however on Stephens picture, his has a grease nipple in the end of it ? Is that a mk2 thing ?

Yes.

The C31UCW upgrade (MK-II*) starting battery relocation blocked access to the former cross tube roller zerk fitting location of the MK-I*. An extension (C31UCW 104347) was added, as well as the grease now entering into the roller pin. The bracket remains the same, the former zerk fitting hole is closed off with a bolt.

[SDeMocko]

Arie,

Another problem I had was somewhere on the edge of one side of the shaft it had been damaged. It wasn't enough to visually notice but it made it near impossible to slide the assembles off the end. In the end I did what Michael R. did. I used jacks including a hydraulic porta-power to force the assemblies past and off the bad part of the shaft end. Later when I had the end in a lathe I cleaned up the bad area. Hope this helped.

P.S. Sorry about the picture orientation. It was fighting me just like it did when I was trying to get it off, but you get the idea.

Stephen
'44 MKII

[RichardT10829]

Cross tubes probably one of the worst glum jobs on a carrier restoration.

[arie teomim]

ALL GOOD,
I took one of the rollers out. hope to put some pic soon. thanks you all. your tips were very helpfull.
arie

[Hans Mulder]

I have a spare cross tube for anyone needing one, but shipping may be a challenge...